The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness with Katharine Giovanni

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Look at me.

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I'm a survivor of suicide.

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I'm a survivor of alcoholism.

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I survived this dark youth.

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I survived breast cancer.

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Look at all the stuff I've done.

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If that's my story.

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And if I don't have my story, who am I?

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There's a scary thought.

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Then you might just become the person you were always meant to be.

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Which is a big fear for a lot of people.

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It is a very big fear for a lot of people.

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Another fear that people have is when you forgive several things are going to happen.

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Welcome back to the wayfinder show.

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I'm your host louis hernandez and today we have another one of our special episodes with a co guest as mentioned before we have a newsletter called the wayfinder weekly and if you sign up for it through our website wayfindershow.

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And you can have a conversation with them and learn just like I do every time we have a good conversation.

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So today's co host is the lovely Miss Stacey Hernandez, Stacey, welcome back to the way finder show.

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Thanks, Savvy.

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That's right.

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I don't know how to call him his regular name.

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It's been too many years of calling him that.

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Yeah if you guys heard us banter back and forth in episode 88, or you just heard that, you now know she is my wife, too.

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She specifically requested this episode and, I had to give it to her or else I don't know where I'd be sleeping tonight.

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The Stacey, last time you were on the show, we talked about colleges and is it even worth it anymore?

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And it seems like since then, you've actually started to do something different.

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Can, do you want to tell our guests a little bit about that or listeners something about that?

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Yeah, just super, yeah, I'll talk super briefly.

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My career, and this is so interesting, and this is, you Fascinating that we're, you're bringing this up while talking with Catherine because very similar background in the sense of, you had a mainstream type of position with concierge, right?

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And then you really followed your heart into the intuitive world, right?

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Into the, into more of a spiritual practice.

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And I was in college counseling where I still am.

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I still work with clients with my business, the best you, but I have been doing that for 20 something years.

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And along the way, I always stayed loyal to my.

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What I knew was in my heart, which is going more into the spiritual world.

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And this has been since I was young, being an intuitive, blah, blah, blah, the whole kind of story.

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But I stayed doing that part time and never really gave myself that opportunity to do it full time.

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And I finally am starting to make that transition to working full time with clients doing energy work.

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And I have like a, an interesting approach to.

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the energy work that I do and intuitive work I do.

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So I work with a company called Lightbody Academy and I teach how to track energy and all of that stuff too.

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So I do more spiritual coaching and all that.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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I was like, oh my gosh, Calvin's story.

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So like resonates so much because of your transition too.

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So great.

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Thank you for that.

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We'll probably have to have you on for a dedicated show just about that.

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But today we're going to focus on our special guest and that is Ms.

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Catherine Giovanni.

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And Catherine is a bestselling author, dynamic speaker, and one of the original founders of the independent concierge industry.

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Catherine's latest book, The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness, offers transformative step by step approach to healing past wounds and embracing personal growth.

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She's a stage 3 breast cancer survivor with profound insights into resilience and intuition.

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Catherine also empowers others to unlock their potential and move forward with purpose.

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Catherine, welcome to the Wayfinder show.

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Thanks so much for having me.

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I appreciate it.

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Yeah.

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We appreciate having you.

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You have quite the experience.

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Why don't we start with just, how you want to give your origin story?

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It probably, believe it or not, started in the 19, never mind what year it was, let's not go there, shall we?

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But it was in the, I'm kidding, it started in the 70s and I was bullied in school because I was different and I was intuitive.

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And I learned very quickly that not everybody was hearing voices in your head.

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And when you hear voices in your head in the 1970s, they will see you.

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Stick you in Bellevue Hospital, which is a psychiatric ward, and they'll give you meds.

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So I learned very quickly to keep it to myself.

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And as a result, I was getting bullied in school.

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My parents were very pickled, meaning they were alcoholics.

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And in the eighth grade, I attempted suicide because the stress was so horrible.

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So I turned into one of those kids, the kids I'm talking about, right?

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Oh, yeah.

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And I just floated through life.

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For a good 10, 15 years.

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So my mother fell down a flight of stairs, broke her hip and ended up in the hospital.

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And even my mother couldn't get a gin and tonic in the hospital.

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So she dried out and she got to rehab.

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And we spent the next three years closer than sisters.

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We forgave each other.

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We made up and it was beautiful.

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And then she died of breast cancer.

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And that was my flashpoint for my entire life.

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And I thought.

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If I don't change myself now, I'm going to die too.

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So I'm 34 years sober at last count.

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I quit drinking, got married, and I started to say, I asked for forgiveness and say, I forgive you.

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And when you start in the rooms, they do something crazy.

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Like they make you do these steps.

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And then you get to this fourth step and they say, you have to make amends and you have to reach out and call these people.

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All right.

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I am an extroverted introvert now, but back then painfully shy.

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And the thought of calling somebody who might yell at me back left me cold.

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Your girl was not having any of that.

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So I just silently did it myself.

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And I ended up in the independent concierge industry, mostly because a little burn in my shoulder told me to do it.

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And back in those days, You didn't bring a soft topic to any workshops and I was teaching people how to be a concierge and how to offer great over the top customer service.

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And I can teach you the most beautiful words in the world to say.

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I could teach you how to dress, how to act, body language, international protocol, but if you're angry, it's going to bleed through your body language, whether you want it to or not.

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So I brought forgiveness to a workshop back in those days, which was.

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Not really done.

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I'm a little bit of a rebel and that's how it started because forgiveness everybody tells you have to forgive.

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Okay, how nobody teaches they how except me I teach the how well, we definitely want to explain how We definitely want to explore the how, but I do want to just address one thing because I think what people think about is a concierge now.

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I know when Stacy and I were talking about it, we were thinking about a hotel concierge, right?

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Can you talk a little bit about what that means just for people who are wondering?

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Sure.

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Sure.

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About 25 years ago, maybe 30, in the late 1900s, God, when you say turn of the century, 1900s, I really feel like a pioneer that I should be going out west in a wagon train, right?

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Turn of the century.

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But way back in those early days there was a core group of concierge who worked in a hotel.

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You're very used to hearing the hotel concierge.

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It's been around in our world for decades.

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But these core group of concierge thought, if I can Do this for a hotel.

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I bet I can bring it to mainstream America and do it for mainstream America.

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And they did very successfully.

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And back in those days, maybe there were 20 concierge and now it's so many years later and they're worldwide in almost every city.

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It's very much like Uber eats.

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No offense to Uber eats.

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Don't email me.

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But a concierge is they it's like the difference between it's like the dif Friends between Saks Fifth Avenue and going to Target.

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I'm going to get emails.

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Please.

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But it means that these concierge it's it they're like a boutique and in you give them your to do list, whatever it is, it could be anything and they will just do it.

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So they'll do anything on Google as long as it's legal, moral and ethical, they'll 20 different people for 20 different things, you can call an independent concierge who will do It's absolutely brilliant.

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And they vet them just like anybody and they call their references.

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So when they come into your house, you know that they are warm, friendly, approachable, and they're not going to steal your stuff.

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At least we hope they're not going to steal your stuff.

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Wow, like a, like a personal assistant, but while you're traveling.

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Exactly.

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It's a personal assistant for regular people because everybody says, I need a personal assistant, but I can't afford it.

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You probably can afford an independent concierge and they're very versatile.

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They'll, they will actually unpack your stuff.

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If you hire a moving company, they will unpack your boxes.

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If they packed them.

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But they can't put them away.

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So they just put all the stuff on tabletops.

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They're legally not allowed to put them away.

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A concierge will actually put them away.

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That's the difference.

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And they will go get your food, but they'll make, they'll make sure it's hot.

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They'll come in, they'll put it in the refrigerator.

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It's that kind of a thing.

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It's a real white glove service.

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I'm not disrespecting Target or Uber Eats.

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It's just a different level.

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It's just language in our current world that we understand.

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Are you kidding me?

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We shop at Target all the time.

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It's down the street from the house.

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You shop at Target all the time.

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I don't like Target.

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But that's the difference.

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It's very similar to concierge doctors, which are now very popular too.

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There's regular doctors and then there's concierge doctors who make a house call.

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Same kind of thing.

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It's just a different level.

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Got it.

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That makes sense.

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We've used concierge doctors in the, yes, when we haven't had health insurance and it's been wonderful.

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Yep.

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I used to teach, I taught that for, I taught people how to start a concierge business for over 20 years.

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I've written I came out recently with the sixth edition of the Concierge Manual, the last edition, thank you very much, because I retired from the industry a couple years ago, so I could concentrate on other stuff.

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I would love to hear about that transition.

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It's hard coming out of the intuitive closet is hard because you've been taught for years that the minute you open your mouth and you say you're intuitive people think you're nuts.

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They think you're a grifter.

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They think you're going to whip out your magic ball and your crystal ball and you're going to steal all their money.

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They don't believe what you could do.

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And the thing about I wrote a book about this as well because of course I did called the little bird in your shoulder.

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I've written like 12 books, but everybody in the planet.

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It is intuitive.

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You see it, feel it, know it, or you just sense it.

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Everybody on the planet.

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I just happen to have been born this way.

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I'm a medium and I'm a past life healer.

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But it's hard when you first come out of the closet.

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Now, I've been giving people messages all my life.

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I just switched the language.

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So they didn't know what I was doing.

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And I'd say things like, Have you ever thought about dot?

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You know what would be good for you?

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Dot.

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Until I got called out on it years ago, and he came up to me in a workshop.

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He says, I know what you're doing.

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Ha! I said, what am I doing?

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I just played dumb.

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But, coming out of the intuitive closet, you're very nervous.

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about what other people are going to think.

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I'm going to lose all my clientele.

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They're going to think I'm crazy.

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And 10 out of 10 of us, all of us think that, but the trick that the problem is everybody's intuitive, many people walk into a room and it feels off.

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This feels off or you hire somebody.

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Their resume is great.

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You shake their hands.

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They're perfect.

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They're wearing the right.

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Close, they say the right things, three months down the line, everything blows up, and you say out loud, I knew I shouldn't have hired that person.

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That's the little bird on your shoulder.

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I just was, I was just born knowing how to talk to it, but it's, this is something that absolutely everybody on the planet can do.

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If you, if everybody 500 company was allowed to be intuitive and let their crazy show, imagine the healing our world could be.

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Imagine the healing if people were allowed to actually say, I'm intuitive.

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So what made you change?

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What made you shift in, really what was that, that, that part of your life where you were like, I can't do this anymore?

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Or what was it for you?

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I was.

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Tired of hiding.

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Yeah, I know that one.

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I was tired of keeping those 2 parts of my life separate because that's how to make money.

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You can't bring intuition to a business workshop.

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You can't bring forgiveness to a business workshop.

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No, and we're stuck in this 1950s paradigm.

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And it's the, and it's a patriarchy, no disrespect, I'm sorry, but it's this 1950s, 1960s way of doing business.

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And that's not the way the world is today.

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I wrote a book 25 years ago on intuition and almost derailed my career because the world.

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Wasn't ready for it.

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So it's out of print, obviously, but I've rewritten it.

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It's a little bird on your shoulder because I think the world is ready for forgiveness.

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They're ready for intuition and coming out of that into a intuitive closet.

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It's hard because you think I'm going to be poor.

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I'm not going to make a dime.

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People are going to think I'm crazy.

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Every intuitive.

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I know that nobody makes any money.

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Okay.

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I know a lot of intuitives and I know many of them are making a lot of money.

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So that is that's not true.

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And that 1950s office paradigm is slowly going away.

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People are ready for it.

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The new generation is ready for it.

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And, everybody hears that little bird in their shoulder.

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You just do it differently.

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I have a friend of mine who almost was in a car accident.

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She fell asleep at the wheel.

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And at the last minute she heard, wake up.

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She woke up, turned the wheel, boom.

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She left my intuition has saved my life three times.

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Not that I'm counting particularly, but it has saved my life three times in 20.

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2011, I was told to start jogging.

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I'm allergic to exercise.

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I don't want to start jogging.

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Couldn't, you have to start running.

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You have to start jogging.

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Couldn't get out of my head, and anybody who's intuitive knows that when you're being told something, you have to do it because they won't stop.

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So to save your sanity, you have to do it.

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So I used the couch to 5k running program and it's right online and it's brilliant.

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And it does exactly what you think it is.

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And I went, I started running and I went from a size 14, 16 down to an eight and I knew it was coming off too fast.

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I just knew it was coming off too fast.

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And the day before my birthday, happy birthday to me, I found a lung and it was stage three breast cancer, triple positive.

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And the surgeon told me that if I hadn't taken up running and I hadn't looked Lost the weight.

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I'd be dead.

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I would be dead.

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Another time.

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I was walking across the street with my late dog, Maggie, who's since passed, but we were on a walk and all of a sudden I heard she's not going to stop.

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And I've learned to listen at this point in my life.

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So I stopped in a dime.

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Somebody ran the red, I would have been killed.

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So this is something that people do when they are in situations like that, but you can do it in everyday life.

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You're doing it now.

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Everybody's intuitive.

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If you're listening to this show, you're intuitive because you were drawn to this show for a reason.

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There's no such thing as coincidences in this world, but coming out of the intuitive closet.

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Holy crap.

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Scary.

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And I'm still It is.

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I'm not entirely comfortable with it, believe it or not, and I've been out of the closet for two years now, but it's still you still want to hide.

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I can resonate completely.

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How does it go?

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How does intuition and forgiveness go together?

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How do they connect?

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Trusting, the mind is a brilliant tool.

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It protects you.

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And when you go through something traumatic, or even some My traumatic it's gonna put that memory in the back closet of your mind and it won't bring it out until you're ready for It so when you do the forgiveness work and my system on it on a 10 scale with 10 being unforgivable dumpster fire Nuclear waste dump and one being the easiest person in the world to forgive Everybody watching this, including the two of you, I might add, are thinking of your number 10 unforgivable people.

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Everybody does.

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That's why nobody wants to forgive, because they don't want to forgive the unforgivable.

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And that's fair.

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There are some things in this life that are unforgivable.

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So the Why do you not have to forgive the unforgivable?

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Cause at the end of the day, you don't, because there's a lot of people, places and things, and I did say places and things don't click off yet.

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That you can forgive before you even get there.

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So you start with the easy ones and you work your way up.

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And when you write your list of who you think you need to forgive, I want you to just stream it.

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Use your intuition, whatever forms into your mind.

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Just write it down.

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I don't care what you write down, just write it down, and then we'll, I can go through the system piece by piece in a minute, but that's basically a big part of the system is trusting your intuition to write down exactly what you need to forgive.

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Intuition is a brilliant thing.

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Go ahead, Stacey.

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Oh I have so many questions about forgiveness that I can go into and I would love to hear more about your system and if you're open to going through some of that, cause it's, I love how you said, start with low hanging fruit.

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To me, that feels like you're creating the neural pathways.

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You're creating the muscle memory to then have that be an open part of your life.

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That's what that feels like.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Exactly right.

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Now a few PSAs.

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Just because I forgive you doesn't mean I want a relationship with you.

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I probably don't.

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And that's fair.

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And this piece is what, this messes people up.

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I think we were taught this in school when people, the teacher looked at us and said, now go for, go say you're sorry and then everything's alright again.

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Okay.

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No, it's not.

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Just because I forgive you doesn't mean I'm giving you a pass.

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It doesn't mean all of a sudden I'm giving in and I'm saying that you're correct.

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You're not.

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Forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean repair.

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Forgiveness is selfish.

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You do it for you.

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You also don't have to reach out and call anybody, unless you want to, but you can sit, the method is you sit in the privacy of your own home and you don't have to contact anybody.

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Nobody has to know you're doing it.

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And which means You can forgive dead people, because where they are and where they're not doesn't matter a lick, because they're alive and well in your head, and at the end of the day, that's what you want.

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I want these people out of my head.

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The system is, I want you to get a pad of paper and a pen, Or if you're a millennial or a Gen Zer, you can use your phone if that's what you have.

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Pick a couple four phones.

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I don't care how you write your list and where, it doesn't bother me.

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And I want you to write your list and I want you to just trust your gut and write down whatever comes into your head, starting from the sandbox from when you were a little kid all the way to present day.

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And then I want you to rank from one to 10 each person.

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And you can have seven.

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Number fives don't care.

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You could miss a number.

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Also don't care.

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This is your party.

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You can do whatever you want.

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And then I want you to start with the number ones and The mantra is very simple.

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You don't have to hold a crystal, unless that's what you're into.

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You don't have to dance around or sage the room, unless you feel you need to do that.

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Go right ahead.

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It's fine with me.

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But I sit in the middle of my bed, and I imagine the person is sitting, standing right in front of me.

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The person I knew them.

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Not the adult.

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If I'm talking about somebody from grammar school, I will be seeing the kid that I actually used to know.

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And then let them have it if you want to.

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Say anything you want.

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Cry if you want to.

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And if you can't imagine the person in your mind, because not everybody can, get a chair and talk to the chair.

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Or put your and put their na Name on the chair or their picture on the chair.

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If you need props, that's fine too.

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And then say whatever you have to say.

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And then I want you to say, I completely forgive Stacy.

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I forgive the energy around Stacy.

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I completely forgive myself.

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I forgive the energy around myself.

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I forgive the energy around the entire thing and so it is.

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And then you watch them walk off.

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Energy is the special sauce to the entire system.

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Because I run into so many people who say, I have forgiven.

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And I did do the work.

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Yeah, you did, but I'm still thinking about them and I can't get them to leave my heads because I didn't forgive the energy.

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Einstein correctly proved that energy is neither created nor destroyed.

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It just transforms and from one thing to another.

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So when you get angry, you think it leaves your mouth and magically dissipates in the universe.

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It does not.

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It stays in your energy field and it really stays there until you're ready to clear it.

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It's the ultimate of intergenerational trauma because, and this is going to stretch people's brain to the point of pain.

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I apologize.

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You might have to take some Tylenol for this one.

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But it not only does it affect the trauma from this lifetime affect you in this lifetime, but it also comes from past lives you had that you can bring that energy through.

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As well, which is part of the work I do to help you relieve that.

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So when you clear the energy, you're literally releasing the bond between you and the person.

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And the energy is literally what I'm talking about.

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And Einstein also correctly proved that even this microphone has energy around it.

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When you're trying to, let's say, forgive your unforgivable people you don't have to forgive the person.

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Let's use one of mine.

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Let's take the bullies that, that bully that bullied me back in grammar school.

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Let's just use her.

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And maybe you can't forgive that bully.

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Totally fair.

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I couldn't.

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Maybe you can start with forgiving the energy around this person.

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Great.

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Maybe you can't even forgive the energy around the person.

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Now I want you to pick apart the memory.

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Everything has energy around it.

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So when I sat down to forgive my bully, I actually pulled apart one of my memories.

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I forgave my childhood grammar school and the energy around the building.

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I forgave the desk, the table, the room, the chair, the building, the playground, the swing, and the energy around all these things.

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I forgave the people who stood around and didn't help.

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The energy around all these things.

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And that's going to be just enough to allow you to move forward.

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But I don't want you to start with the tense.

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I really legit want you to start with the easy ones.

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It's like the person who Cut you off on I 95 South yesterday, forgive that person.

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The person who cut you off in aisle four of the grocery store, come on now.

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They were hungry, you can forgive that person.

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Really easy.

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Your football team lost last week, you can forgive them.

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Come on, I hope you can forgive them.

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Come on, they had a bad night, forgive those people.

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These are the things I'm talking about.

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As you forgive that's what my husband said.

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But as you forgive the easy ones, you're going to start to feel better.

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And the world's going to look a little brighter and you're going to start to pay attention again because you couldn't pay attention before because you were holding on to your anger.

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I'm holding a coffee cup in front of my face for anybody listening to this.

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And if this coffee cup is anger, look at my body language.

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I can't see you.

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I can't interact with you.

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I'm too focused on the anger.

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Forgiveness and forgiving the energy is going to allow you to Put that anger down so you can see the new money making opportunity.

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You can see an opportunity to get well, maybe a new health thing.

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You could see a new life coach.

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You could see a new career or your significant other.

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Wow.

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I have to share.

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We do an energetic forgiveness practice in the work that I do.

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However, what you brought in.

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is really helpful to go to the deeper levels.

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The starting with the lower hanging fruit, like I just, someone cut me off the other day and I'm still, I didn't.

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I didn't realize wow, I really I probably psychically attacked in some way and need to pull my energy back.

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And you can forgive the person who cuts you off.

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Yes.

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So that piece, I'll bring that into my practice.

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But I have to say, and I'm going to go a little bit uncomfortable here in terms of what I'm going to share.

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As a child, I was sexually assaulted by a neighbor multiple times.

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And I worked through forgiveness practice often, it's taken layers and layers of healing to work with him and have him in front of me and do the forgiveness.

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But what I still hold because I don't have the energy I used to have with him, but what I still hold is the bathroom where it occurred.

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And I'm about to cry now because I thought I cleared it all, but that was, that's the missing piece for me right now is it's still a scene, right?

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It's still like watching a movie for me now.

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I don't have any energy with him and I've loved and forgive him for what he, because I know where.

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Energetically, or intuitively, I can see where, what he was managing and dealing with.

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However, the piece I'm still holding on to is the feelings I had in that room and how my soul left my body and went up to the ceiling.

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And I still haven't, I haven't worked on that.

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So you brought in such a really key piece for me.

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So thank you.

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Oh, my pleasure.

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You can forgive the bathroom, the energy around the bathroom.

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Forgive the tub, the energy around the tub.

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Forgive the sink.

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I'm actually not kidding.

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Forgive the window, forgive the floor, the energy around the floor, forgive yourself, you were a kid, and the energy around yourself, then forgive the energy around, now I'm not talking about that horrible guy, I'm so sorry you went through that, I'm talking about the other stuff within the memory, and you can forgive all of that stuff, and that is, Is that will free you?

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It may take a couple passes.

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You can't get a number 10 memory down to a one in one sitting.

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It's not going to happen, but you could get that memory that's still tripping you up down to maybe a five.

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Which is livable and forgiving the energy around the bathroom and the pick apart that memory and pick apart and forgive the pieces within that memory.

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I completely forgive the bathtub.

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I forgive the energy around the bathtub.

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I completely forgive myself.

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And I usually add for anything I may or may not have done.

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It's just a habit to cover my basis.

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I forgive the energy around myself.

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I forgive the energy around the whole thing.

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And then do this before bed because your body heals.

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Itself at night when you're sleeping and do it before bed.

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It's gonna really help.

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Yeah.

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Thank you that's really helpful because I think that's been the missing piece and I you know I forgave my parents for not for my warped perception of not feeling protected right even though they had nothing to do with it And could have done anything about it all those pieces.

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So you really I'm curious about All right, I'm going to go a little deep here.

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Have you forgiven your body for what you went through with breast cancer?

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No, I love it that people are teaching me new things on podcasts.

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I have forgiven breast cancer.

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I forgave chemo.

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I forgave the chemo chair radiation, the little round thing that they put on top of you, the You have to sit on.

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I forgave the doctors, the nurses.

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I forgave the chemo drip.

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I forgave the chemo inside of the little drip thing.

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I forgave the Benadryl that they gave me.

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I will tonight forgive my body.

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That's brilliant.

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Never occurred to me to forgive my body.

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But the reason I think.

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There's a study done, there's a whole chapter on science but there's a study done called the Japanese Water Study.

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And a lot of people use these stupid sayings that really irritate the crap out of me.

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Anger is toxic.

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Okay, how?

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It's like the saying, I'm going to kill two birds with one stone.

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What did the birds do to you?

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And why are we throwing stones at them?

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It's not right.

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Leave the birds alone.

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Stop throwing stones at birds.

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So anger is toxic.

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So there is a Japanese water study.

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And you just Google that and you'll find it.

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And guy is named Masumoto something.

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I can't remember.

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Emoto.

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Emoto or something like that.

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And what he did, he took several containers of water, one container of water.

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He.

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He just spoke beautiful, loving, glorious words to it.

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The other container of water, hate, really bad hate, negativity, swore at it.

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Then he froze the water and he put it Sit under a microscope.

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The water that he froze that he spoke love to had these beautiful formations in them.

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Gorgeous.

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The water he spoke hate to had these black and brown sludgy formations.

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Why am I telling you this?

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Your human body is 98, 95 percent water.

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So when your self talk is bad, when you're filled with anger and bitterness and regret and all of this stuff, what do you think you're doing to the water molecules within your body?

00:31:03.913 --> 00:31:04.932
You're making yourself sick.

00:31:05.353 --> 00:31:13.613
So when you forgive, you're literally changing not only the energy around your body, you're changing the energy in your body.

00:31:13.772 --> 00:31:25.863
So when I came up with this method, and some friends of mine, we came up with the method together, my two intuitive friends, I got a list of maybe 50 people.

00:31:25.893 --> 00:31:27.663
And I really am an overachiever.

00:31:27.712 --> 00:31:29.038
I know that shocks both of you.

00:31:29.678 --> 00:31:33.377
And so I had this list of 50 people and I thought this is going to be great.

00:31:33.417 --> 00:31:34.978
I'm going to blast through this list.

00:31:35.008 --> 00:31:39.438
I'm going to be like a phoenix rising from the ash and I'm going to be like a butterfly coming out of the cocoon.

00:31:39.438 --> 00:31:41.337
I'm going to wake up tomorrow a different person.

00:31:41.907 --> 00:31:47.147
Didn't happen the way I thought it would because I spent the next three days in bed with what everybody thought was a stomach flu.

00:31:47.673 --> 00:31:48.373
Why?

00:31:48.673 --> 00:31:49.962
Because of the water cells.

00:31:49.992 --> 00:31:54.212
They have to go someplace and I did too many and I made myself sick.

00:31:54.472 --> 00:32:06.722
So when I, when you do this method, I really just want you to do anywhere from five to 10 and Katie and Paula will tell you three, but I think if you do up to 10, you can do up to 10 right before bed.

00:32:07.022 --> 00:32:09.553
And I will first I'll think of what I'm grateful for.

00:32:09.563 --> 00:32:12.772
The three things I'm most grateful for could be just a hot cup of coffee.

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And then I'll do my forgiveness tonight.

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We'll be forgiving my body.

00:32:17.113 --> 00:32:17.992
Thank you very much.

00:32:17.992 --> 00:32:19.123
That will be on my list.

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And I do this every night before bed.

00:32:21.982 --> 00:32:22.383
Wow.

00:32:24.292 --> 00:32:24.853
Wow.

00:32:25.353 --> 00:32:33.323
What I'd like to ask here I understand the importance of forgiveness and I right now I think we're going we're on the heels of an election, right?

00:32:33.363 --> 00:32:35.663
And there's a lot of people who are really upset, right?

00:32:35.863 --> 00:32:42.913
And we are, I come across this all the time where people just say, certain things are unforgivable.

00:32:43.883 --> 00:32:50.053
And how do you wake people up to recognize, that they have to forgive?

00:32:50.413 --> 00:32:51.393
We have to forgive.

00:32:52.837 --> 00:32:54.587
Because it's going to make them feel better.

00:32:54.917 --> 00:32:56.567
How do you explain that?

00:32:56.577 --> 00:33:03.718
A lot of the time, especially in this post election world half of the population is happy and half of them are unhappy.

00:33:03.948 --> 00:33:04.307
That's right.

00:33:04.758 --> 00:33:06.657
And some of them are going to regret their votes.

00:33:07.417 --> 00:33:08.518
I don't care who you voted for.

00:33:08.518 --> 00:33:09.417
I'm not political.

00:33:09.518 --> 00:33:16.057
Forgiving yourself is probably the hardest person in the world to forgive.

00:33:16.948 --> 00:33:23.087
And what, the way to forgiveness is, here's a visual for you, because this usually works with people.

00:33:23.157 --> 00:33:26.708
And if you're listening, please hop over and look at the presentation.

00:33:26.708 --> 00:33:29.478
But I'm about to hold that purple coffee cup in front of my face.

00:33:29.788 --> 00:33:37.758
And as I said before, when you first get angry, I can manage my anger because I can hold this little glass of anger and bitterness and regret off to the side.

00:33:37.758 --> 00:33:38.647
Look at my body language.

00:33:38.778 --> 00:33:39.248
This is easy.

00:33:39.248 --> 00:33:40.167
I have nobody to forgive.

00:33:40.873 --> 00:33:41.262
Easy.

00:33:41.613 --> 00:33:42.992
I can still conduct my life.

00:33:43.313 --> 00:33:43.863
No problem.

00:33:44.113 --> 00:33:46.952
But the longer I hold on to it, the more it's going to hurt.

00:33:47.553 --> 00:33:51.442
And it's not because I can't compartmentalize that original hurt.

00:33:51.512 --> 00:33:57.053
It means because we're humans irritate other humans, I'm going to constantly be putting more anger into the cup.

00:33:57.603 --> 00:33:59.682
So eventually it's going to really start to hurt.

00:33:59.692 --> 00:34:01.833
So now I'm using two hands to hold up the cup.

00:34:02.053 --> 00:34:06.163
I can still hold it off to the side, but it starts to, filtering into my thoughts.

00:34:06.182 --> 00:34:08.083
It's starting to take over my life.

00:34:08.452 --> 00:34:11.697
If I continue to hold it now the cup is in front of my face.

00:34:11.697 --> 00:34:12.648
My life is stopped.

00:34:12.648 --> 00:34:13.628
I've got one friend.

00:34:13.677 --> 00:34:14.818
I'm probably drinking.

00:34:15.137 --> 00:34:17.947
I don't love my life.

00:34:17.947 --> 00:34:19.697
I'm telling everybody I've hit a wall.

00:34:19.938 --> 00:34:21.047
I need more money.

00:34:21.077 --> 00:34:22.277
I need a better relationship.

00:34:22.288 --> 00:34:24.688
Why am I attracting all the same types of guys to me?

00:34:24.688 --> 00:34:26.157
Why can't I get ahead of life?

00:34:26.427 --> 00:34:28.237
It's because you're holding onto the anger.

00:34:28.387 --> 00:34:32.577
You're concentrating on everything that's anger and what's wrong with your life.

00:34:32.717 --> 00:34:33.998
So when you put the.

00:34:35.722 --> 00:34:45.813
When you finally use forgiveness, even with the easy ones, we're not even talking about the number tens, but even with the easy ones, you can set aside some of that anger.

00:34:46.012 --> 00:34:47.532
Now look at my body language.

00:34:47.793 --> 00:34:51.123
I've said some of the anger about now it's not in front of my face anymore.

00:34:51.322 --> 00:34:53.663
I can see that money making opportunity.

00:34:53.702 --> 00:34:55.483
I can see all these great things.

00:34:55.512 --> 00:34:57.123
I could see my health coming back.

00:34:57.143 --> 00:34:57.552
Why?

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Because I wasn't paying attention before.

00:34:59.838 --> 00:35:01.268
I was focused on the anger.

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So the person that you came down to this planet to be, your authentic self, you can now be that person.

00:35:07.277 --> 00:35:11.228
You couldn't before because you were focused on everything that had happened to you.

00:35:11.427 --> 00:35:15.777
You were wearing your past like a cape, like a badge of honor.

00:35:15.867 --> 00:35:17.398
I did for years.

00:35:17.478 --> 00:35:18.137
Look at me.

00:35:18.358 --> 00:35:19.847
I'm a survivor of suicide.

00:35:19.847 --> 00:35:21.677
I'm a survivor of alcoholism.

00:35:21.938 --> 00:35:24.068
I survived this dark youth.

00:35:24.358 --> 00:35:25.947
I survived breast cancer.

00:35:26.447 --> 00:35:27.818
Look at all the stuff I've done.

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If that's my story, and if I don't have my story, who am I?

00:35:33.867 --> 00:35:34.827
There's a scary thought.

00:35:34.987 --> 00:35:38.257
Then you might just become the person you were always meant to be.

00:35:38.807 --> 00:35:40.527
Which is a big fear for a lot of people.

00:35:41.088 --> 00:35:42.967
It is a very big fear for a lot of people.

00:35:42.967 --> 00:35:47.007
Another fear that people have is when you forgive, several things are going to happen.

00:35:48.137 --> 00:35:58.628
One thing will happen is like energy attracts like energy, so people are going to be drawn to you like a moth to a flame, and that's great, but the reverse is also true.

00:35:58.867 --> 00:36:10.527
You're going to find some jackrabbits, and these jackrabbits were very close to you, maybe they were your besties, and you start to change, and they don't want to change, so they bolt, and they leave and you never hear from them again.

00:36:10.918 --> 00:36:11.547
That happened to me.

00:36:12.228 --> 00:36:18.842
And then you've got the sabotages the vampires and they're the people that you live with, their relatives, their friends.

00:36:18.842 --> 00:36:22.262
They love the old you because you are more miserable than them.

00:36:22.262 --> 00:36:24.242
And they love that.

00:36:24.242 --> 00:36:25.623
They want their friend back.

00:36:25.652 --> 00:36:27.422
So they don't want you to forgive.

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They don't want you to live your dream life.

00:36:29.463 --> 00:36:31.713
They want you exactly where you've always been.

00:36:32.012 --> 00:36:35.943
So you have to just be okay with that and strong enough to.

00:36:37.878 --> 00:36:45.097
And I've always found it very entertaining because the better I get, the more irritated they get.

00:36:45.097 --> 00:36:46.358
It's like customer service.

00:36:46.358 --> 00:36:51.467
If you're really nasty to me, I'll solve your problem, but I'm going to be Susie Sunshine from Sunnybrook Farms.

00:36:51.478 --> 00:36:53.657
So the nastier you get, the nicer I'm going to get.

00:36:53.697 --> 00:36:55.277
And one of two things is going to happen.

00:36:55.597 --> 00:36:57.927
It's either going to solve your problem and make you happier.

00:36:58.128 --> 00:36:59.257
It's going to piss you off.

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Excuse my language.

00:37:00.418 --> 00:37:03.487
And if you get really angry, okay, that's just entertaining for me.

00:37:03.487 --> 00:37:04.608
I'm just going to turn it up.

00:37:06.007 --> 00:37:06.297
I'm good.

00:37:08.998 --> 00:37:10.358
Eventually you'll walk away.

00:37:10.878 --> 00:37:11.288
Wow.

00:37:11.697 --> 00:37:13.447
What about, yeah, go ahead.

00:37:13.458 --> 00:37:13.797
Go ahead.

00:37:13.878 --> 00:37:14.588
No, you go ahead.

00:37:14.648 --> 00:37:14.887
Go ahead.

00:37:14.887 --> 00:37:15.047
No.

00:37:15.637 --> 00:37:17.226
I love watching you too.

00:37:17.226 --> 00:37:18.842
It's so much fun.

00:37:18.842 --> 00:37:20.717
You haven't seen anything yet.

00:37:21.117 --> 00:37:21.717
Oh, we're holding back.

00:37:21.918 --> 00:37:24.077
This is like my favorite podcast ever.

00:37:24.628 --> 00:37:33.943
I actually wanted to go into partnership forgiveness in a piece because I know over many years and we've been married 21.

00:37:34.293 --> 00:37:41.472
On years, and we've been together probably what, 24, 25, 24, it's, it was the Y2K era.

00:37:41.842 --> 00:37:47.512
And I've had, I've worked those layers of forgiveness with Louis.

00:37:48.262 --> 00:38:33.643
And there's still I think there's still pieces to go and part of it with my self realization with the forgiveness practice I've done with him and he hasn't necessarily known I'd been doing this like you I do a privacy and I connect and it's an it's a very intuitive thing but what layers I got to the realization I got to in these levels of forgiveness I've worked through is he's not my father right and but how I was treating him as my father because that was my own trauma of protecting myself that that he has a big heart and his truth is that he truly wants to love, appreciate, and provide for me.

00:38:34.143 --> 00:38:36.463
Beyond a patriarchal perspective.

00:38:37.592 --> 00:38:39.123
And that.

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He is coming from his own wounds.

00:38:41.398 --> 00:38:42.617
Everybody has baggage.

00:38:43.177 --> 00:38:43.668
Yes.

00:38:43.967 --> 00:38:44.447
Everybody.

00:38:45.117 --> 00:38:48.398
My mother used to say all the, every family is the same.

00:38:48.398 --> 00:38:49.538
Only the names are different.

00:38:49.597 --> 00:38:50.757
Not convinced she was wrong.

00:38:51.708 --> 00:38:52.407
We all have bad.

00:38:52.407 --> 00:38:52.887
I agree.

00:38:53.597 --> 00:38:53.777
Yeah.

00:38:53.777 --> 00:38:55.858
We all have that one relative, anybody has it.

00:38:56.168 --> 00:38:57.077
I usually call that one.

00:38:57.873 --> 00:39:01.472
Relative Martha, because I didn't have an Aunt Martha, but yeah, everybody has an Aunt Martha.

00:39:01.802 --> 00:39:02.172
Everybody.

00:39:02.222 --> 00:39:06.413
But it's so interesting, because when you come from trauma we have very similar backgrounds as you.

00:39:06.822 --> 00:39:11.663
When you come from trauma, you think that if there's no alcohol in the family, right?

00:39:12.313 --> 00:39:12.443
Yup.

00:39:12.452 --> 00:39:24.532
And you're not beating on each other, then you're going to have a great, perfect marriage and a great, perfect life, and you're going to raise your kids great, and your kids are going to be like the Beavers, and they're going to go off to college and you're going to do great things.

00:39:24.773 --> 00:39:25.003
Maybe.

00:39:25.358 --> 00:39:28.717
Okay.

00:39:29.197 --> 00:39:29.978
Let's talk about that.

00:39:29.978 --> 00:39:33.867
I thought if you're not drinking and you're not doing these things that's what I thought.

00:39:34.737 --> 00:39:46.768
But it's very interesting because for me, I know working through forgiveness and really showing up and doing the work and being honest with myself and with Louie has made me realize, Oh fuck.

00:39:46.777 --> 00:39:50.637
We really have come from our wounds in our parenting and with our, the way we treat.

00:39:51.842 --> 00:39:54.143
Read each other and I'm a swearer and it's coming out.

00:39:54.572 --> 00:39:55.893
So I don't know.

00:39:55.893 --> 00:39:59.572
I live with an Italian from Hoboken who sounds like an extra from the Sopranos.

00:39:59.572 --> 00:40:00.922
So just go ahead.

00:40:00.922 --> 00:40:02.193
It doesn't bother me at all.

00:40:02.413 --> 00:40:05.063
My grandmother's funeral literally looked.

00:40:05.282 --> 00:40:05.623
Yeah.

00:40:05.742 --> 00:40:06.222
Okay.

00:40:06.273 --> 00:40:10.023
My grandmother's funeral really literally looked like she wearing the Sopranos.

00:40:10.023 --> 00:40:10.702
Remember that hubby?

00:40:11.503 --> 00:40:16.713
And yeah, my father's from Staten Island and I'm from Jersey and Louie's from Queens.

00:40:16.733 --> 00:40:17.012
Hoboken.

00:40:17.503 --> 00:40:17.902
There you go.

00:40:19.043 --> 00:40:20.523
So I'm curious.

00:40:21.652 --> 00:40:31.322
I'm curious, Louie, what you have to say around this forgiveness piece and if you feel that you have done a lot of forgiveness work or you feel like you're done with it.

00:40:32.032 --> 00:40:33.512
It or you have more to go.

00:40:33.913 --> 00:40:34.262
I'm curious.

00:40:35.282 --> 00:40:38.182
Yeah, I guess that's a good segue to a question.

00:40:38.182 --> 00:40:46.583
I had you, you got into when answering about your cancer, which is, I think it's very easy to point to areas.

00:40:46.867 --> 00:40:53.938
of need for forgiveness when it's a certain experience or a certain person or something that did something, right?

00:40:54.188 --> 00:41:00.748
But what about if it's not as clear, like one moment in time like an overall experience, like you went through with cancer, right?

00:41:00.777 --> 00:41:10.572
I'm thinking something, that is, you can't trace to a moment or a person, but it's an, it's just an, A bigger experience.

00:41:10.693 --> 00:41:13.603
Growing up, you mean the time I forgave 1974?

00:41:14.242 --> 00:41:14.603
Yeah.

00:41:14.608 --> 00:41:15.588
Good good way to put it.

00:41:15.588 --> 00:41:16.387
I 1974.

00:41:16.902 --> 00:41:17.262
Okay.

00:41:17.532 --> 00:41:18.222
I forgave.

00:41:18.222 --> 00:41:20.382
And why did I forgive 1974?

00:41:20.387 --> 00:41:20.398
Wow.

00:41:20.398 --> 00:41:25.302
'cause I was in the eighth grade, parents were getting a horrible divorce, bullied and tried to commit suicide.

00:41:25.572 --> 00:41:31.123
Now I did pick apart the memory and forgive all the players within that year, but it was still tripping me up.

00:41:31.123 --> 00:41:33.972
I was still thinking about it and I thought, why am I still thinking about it?

00:41:33.972 --> 00:41:35.742
I've done the work, I've cleared the energy.

00:41:37.003 --> 00:41:43.402
Gee, it was because I needed to clear the actual year and that's what did it for me It's like the bow that kind of wrapped it up.

00:41:43.742 --> 00:41:56.483
It's listen, we can i've had men look at me and say I have gotten very wealthy and very far on my hate and my anger It's why I get up in the morning.

00:41:56.802 --> 00:41:58.393
It fuels my fire.

00:41:58.713 --> 00:42:00.663
Okay, let's chat about that.

00:42:01.422 --> 00:42:12.762
Let's say you have an express elevator, and then you have an elevator that some punk kid, you're going up to the 70th floor, and some punk kid has pressed every button in the elevator.

00:42:13.443 --> 00:42:19.112
And after you have to go 74 floors, one at a time, you're still gonna get to the top.

00:42:19.672 --> 00:42:25.492
It's just like the express, but you're going to get, you're going to meet every floor and there's different people are going to get on in every floor.

00:42:25.492 --> 00:42:29.143
Some of them smell, some of them, and then some of them are talking.

00:42:29.143 --> 00:42:33.963
Some of them don't believe what you believe and you, and some of them leave, some of them come back.

00:42:33.963 --> 00:42:39.922
So by the time you get to the 74th floor, you're bloodied, you're crazy and you just need a drink.

00:42:40.342 --> 00:42:41.882
I'm sober and I'm telling you this.

00:42:42.382 --> 00:42:43.853
But, you can get there.

00:42:44.282 --> 00:42:46.293
You can get there on that local.

00:42:46.572 --> 00:42:49.652
But wouldn't you rather get in the express and just go straight to the top?

00:42:50.492 --> 00:42:53.882
Love and forgiveness will get you farther faster than the local will.

00:42:55.313 --> 00:42:56.822
There's always something to forgive.

00:42:56.833 --> 00:43:04.222
In fact, if you're listening to this broadcast and you really think you don't have anything to forgive, say this every night before bed for the next week.

00:43:04.432 --> 00:43:08.523
I completely forgive myself for not being able to forgive and the energy around this.

00:43:09.052 --> 00:43:10.242
Say that every day for a week.

00:43:10.902 --> 00:43:17.583
And your brain, which is a beautiful tool, is going to say, Stacey's ready.

00:43:18.112 --> 00:43:22.333
So it's going to open up that back closet and memories are going to start to come out.

00:43:22.373 --> 00:43:23.833
Now you can create your list.

00:43:25.893 --> 00:43:26.702
This is an onion.

00:43:26.742 --> 00:43:29.202
It's an onion that you forgive the first layer.

00:43:29.202 --> 00:43:31.713
I have people who call me up and say it didn't work.

00:43:32.353 --> 00:43:32.742
Yeah, it did.

00:43:32.762 --> 00:43:33.773
It's like the law of gravity.

00:43:33.773 --> 00:43:35.282
It's going to work whether you believe it or not.

00:43:35.472 --> 00:43:36.543
You just forgave the first.

00:43:37.088 --> 00:43:38.407
First layer, keep going.

00:43:38.777 --> 00:43:42.788
You can't even get a number four person down to a one in one sitting.

00:43:43.057 --> 00:43:44.458
It's going to take a couple tries.

00:43:44.467 --> 00:43:48.748
So people call this shadow work because you're working in the shadows of your past.

00:43:49.077 --> 00:43:51.577
It's going to take a minute, but you're going to feel better.

00:43:52.068 --> 00:43:53.918
You're going to start to think better.

00:43:53.918 --> 00:43:56.217
You're going to, your coffee will smell better.

00:43:56.217 --> 00:43:57.827
You're going to see the world better.

00:43:58.057 --> 00:43:59.288
You can forgive anything.

00:43:59.467 --> 00:44:01.248
You can forgive politicians.

00:44:01.307 --> 00:44:04.788
Dare I say you can forgive the war in the Middle East.

00:44:05.342 --> 00:44:07.242
What's it gonna do for the war in the Middle East?

00:44:07.353 --> 00:44:08.432
Not a damn thing.

00:44:08.793 --> 00:44:10.242
It's gonna do wonderful things for you.

00:44:10.532 --> 00:44:12.152
Absolutely wonderful things for you.

00:44:13.003 --> 00:44:14.532
This is life changing stuff.

00:44:15.233 --> 00:44:16.552
I actually forgave Trump.

00:44:16.713 --> 00:44:18.853
I did a whole thing around forgiveness.

00:44:19.052 --> 00:44:21.652
I have a real quick thing that I want to say.

00:44:21.972 --> 00:44:23.032
Not to be political or anything.

00:44:23.063 --> 00:44:27.003
I just felt there were certain pieces within me that I did not want to live with.

00:44:27.367 --> 00:44:31.487
in me because I could see how it was impacting my behavior and impacting my health.

00:44:31.748 --> 00:44:33.597
So I did a forgiveness, practice with him.

00:44:34.208 --> 00:44:35.827
No, I have no feelings about him either way.

00:44:35.827 --> 00:44:47.637
I'm not a political person either, but one of the things I wanted to say, there were two family members that I really, I've decided to forgive, but what I had to do is I had to go into an intention.

00:44:47.887 --> 00:44:49.418
I had to create an intention.

00:44:49.458 --> 00:44:49.938
Why?

00:44:51.527 --> 00:44:55.862
And it was something that was not just forgive because I want to feel better.

00:44:56.543 --> 00:44:59.222
I wanted connection with them.

00:44:59.643 --> 00:45:07.713
I wanted because in my heart, I felt love for them no matter what, even though I was frustrated and I was in a victim space or whatever it was.

00:45:08.362 --> 00:45:14.282
So I created the intention that I want to express my love and feel connected with them.

00:45:14.652 --> 00:45:17.657
And when I did the forgiveness, Practice.

00:45:17.927 --> 00:45:19.757
It was and forgiveness.

00:45:19.938 --> 00:45:22.597
It was completely transformational.

00:45:22.978 --> 00:45:25.257
And my relationship with the two of them.

00:45:25.268 --> 00:45:26.527
There's so much joy.

00:45:26.737 --> 00:45:27.947
There's so much love.

00:45:28.338 --> 00:45:30.947
And I really thought these people can change, right?

00:45:31.007 --> 00:45:33.867
I thought that I was going to hold on to the same group the rest of my life.

00:45:35.273 --> 00:45:36.492
Because they were going to be a certain way.

00:45:36.753 --> 00:45:44.322
But what I realized is they wanted so deeply to love me and to connect with me.

00:45:44.552 --> 00:45:46.152
And so that's what I brought forward.

00:45:46.182 --> 00:45:47.253
And it was life changing.

00:45:48.722 --> 00:45:49.052
Yeah.

00:45:49.152 --> 00:45:52.932
Sometimes the change in you is the only thing that's needed to tip the scales.

00:45:53.293 --> 00:45:56.353
But at the end of the day, you weren't telling them that they were right or they were wrong.

00:45:56.362 --> 00:45:57.742
You were changing for you.

00:45:57.762 --> 00:45:58.193
That's it.

00:45:58.262 --> 00:46:02.523
And because you changed inside, it affected everybody on the outside.

00:46:03.612 --> 00:46:03.813
Yep.

00:46:04.322 --> 00:46:06.842
One last question around forgiveness.

00:46:06.853 --> 00:46:14.413
It actually isn't really about forgiveness, there's a lot of people who say, I'm sorry for whatever action, right?

00:46:14.893 --> 00:46:22.847
And They, I think they do it out of shame or fear or what have you, but they don't really they're not really sorry.

00:46:22.847 --> 00:46:26.807
They haven't really sought forgiveness or anything within themselves, they just feel, right?

00:46:27.047 --> 00:46:27.197
I don't know.

00:46:27.358 --> 00:46:29.568
We all probably know somebody who says, I'm sorry.

00:46:29.577 --> 00:46:33.487
It almost starts a sentence, every sentence, I'm sorry, but, the, right?

00:46:33.818 --> 00:46:38.447
And how, I just want to hear your overall thoughts about that and how it.

00:46:38.722 --> 00:46:47.563
What is that reaction and how can we get people to understand to forgive themselves and, oftentimes I don't really care if they're sorry or not.

00:46:48.123 --> 00:46:54.702
I think about people I run with that, they're sorry because they're not running that or that time, they're not running my pace or whatever it might be.

00:46:54.702 --> 00:46:57.012
Like just something that just really is trivial.

00:46:57.023 --> 00:46:59.762
How do we get them to realize there's nothing to be sorry for.

00:47:00.333 --> 00:47:01.132
Nothing to be sorry for.

00:47:01.302 --> 00:47:01.583
Yeah.

00:47:03.088 --> 00:47:05.047
It's usually a self esteem thing.

00:47:05.418 --> 00:47:06.927
At least that's my experience.

00:47:06.927 --> 00:47:07.487
They don't.

00:47:07.507 --> 00:47:11.507
And this is, and it's usually in women, no disrespect, but it usually is.

00:47:12.077 --> 00:47:13.697
And it means they don't feel worthy.

00:47:14.527 --> 00:47:17.338
I don't feel worthy enough to give you my opinion.

00:47:17.338 --> 00:47:18.608
So I'm going to say, I'm sorry.

00:47:18.617 --> 00:47:21.827
I don't feel worthy enough to step up.

00:47:21.827 --> 00:47:22.867
I don't feel worthy enough.

00:47:22.867 --> 00:47:23.967
I don't feel smart enough.

00:47:23.967 --> 00:47:27.677
I don't think I'm all that, but I, you are worthy enough and you're.

00:47:28.342 --> 00:47:29.693
opinion does matter.

00:47:30.023 --> 00:47:33.443
And the reason they're saying sorry is it's usually a self esteem thing.

00:47:33.722 --> 00:47:42.422
So I usually just want to wrap my arms around these people and give them a hug because they are worthy and they are beautiful.

00:47:42.463 --> 00:47:45.422
And we're not meant to live in a refrigerator box on a street.

00:47:45.713 --> 00:47:46.922
We're meant to live in joy.

00:47:46.943 --> 00:47:49.722
We're meant to live a beautiful life.

00:47:49.952 --> 00:47:53.112
And forgiveness is one of the methods that you can use to get there.

00:47:53.773 --> 00:47:54.313
And if you want.

00:47:54.777 --> 00:48:01.927
Are saying you're sorry a lot and you really want to stop and just forgive that I completely forgive myself for always apologizing.

00:48:01.978 --> 00:48:04.818
I forgive the energy around always apologizing.

00:48:05.057 --> 00:48:06.998
I forgive the energy around the whole thing.

00:48:06.998 --> 00:48:08.268
Say that every day for a week.

00:48:09.208 --> 00:48:12.498
You really can forgive anything and the energy will change.

00:48:12.507 --> 00:48:13.268
The energy is real.

00:48:13.277 --> 00:48:14.217
Let me tell you a real story.

00:48:14.217 --> 00:48:14.998
This really happened.

00:48:15.157 --> 00:48:15.697
True story.

00:48:16.367 --> 00:48:18.557
I sat down and forgave one of my number ones.

00:48:19.177 --> 00:48:28.788
Woman I went to school with and I hadn't spoken to her decades and I mean that decades So I sat in the middle of my bed because I drink my own cooler.

00:48:28.818 --> 00:48:35.657
I gotta stop saying that's a horrible analogy Don't Google that Anybody it's a horrible thing.

00:48:35.967 --> 00:48:37.387
I do my own stuff.

00:48:37.387 --> 00:48:38.248
Shall we politely?

00:48:38.702 --> 00:48:39.902
Say that's much better in it.

00:48:40.382 --> 00:48:47.963
And so I imagined her as I used to know her and I said a few words to her, but I couldn't remember what I was mad at.

00:48:47.963 --> 00:48:51.873
I couldn't remember So it was the easiest forgiveness thing in the world.

00:48:51.873 --> 00:49:13.007
So I said the mantra and then I forgot about it two hours later She calls me on the phone My concierge training kicked in virtually immediately because I was shocked to my core because I hadn't spoken to her in decades I masked my shock, my shockness, and we said all the right words and did all the right things, made all the right noises and that kind of thing.

00:49:13.018 --> 00:49:15.498
Do what people do when, you haven't spoken to somebody in a while.

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And then I got curious.

00:49:17.788 --> 00:49:19.458
I said, I'm a curious little bear.

00:49:19.668 --> 00:49:23.077
Why did you call me after all these years, today of all days?

00:49:23.148 --> 00:49:24.608
She said, it was the darndest thing.

00:49:24.987 --> 00:49:28.447
Two hours ago, which was exactly when I was saying this mantra.

00:49:29.003 --> 00:49:36.893
A figurine you gave me in school fell off my shelf, landed in the middle of my room, and I thought I should give you a call.

00:49:37.592 --> 00:49:49.577
So if forgiveness has the power to move a figurine off a shelf 700 miles away, and forgiveness energy has the power to change the water molecules It's in your body for a level one person.

00:49:49.938 --> 00:49:54.458
Can you imagine what it's going to do when you start creeping up there and doing the higher number of people?

00:49:55.297 --> 00:49:56.458
Your life will change.

00:49:56.577 --> 00:49:59.137
This is serious, life changing stuff.

00:49:59.637 --> 00:50:00.168
Can feel it.

00:50:02.007 --> 00:50:02.487
All right.

00:50:03.038 --> 00:50:04.557
Yeah, that's a true story, that really happened.

00:50:04.987 --> 00:50:05.657
That's amazing.

00:50:07.318 --> 00:50:11.327
On that note why don't we switch over to something a little more light hearted?

00:50:11.878 --> 00:50:13.918
And our Wayfinder 4 questions.

00:50:14.378 --> 00:50:16.088
Catherine, can you give us a hack?

00:50:17.717 --> 00:50:23.648
This is just something you use you can say forgiveness, but you do every day that kind of helps you cheat life with.

00:50:24.148 --> 00:50:26.268
I actually do use forgiveness as a hack.

00:50:26.277 --> 00:50:28.688
When you go around life, things are going to irritate you.

00:50:28.688 --> 00:50:29.518
You'll be in target.

00:50:29.527 --> 00:50:30.657
Somebody will piss you off.

00:50:30.657 --> 00:50:33.648
You'll see the news that kind of, you'll be at a family Thanksgiving or Christmas.

00:50:34.318 --> 00:50:37.438
And, Aunt Martha's going to piss you off, because she pisses you off every year.

00:50:37.838 --> 00:50:43.297
So I will go out to the car, and I will just sit there and go, I forgive, I'll say it 50 times if I have to.

00:50:43.358 --> 00:50:44.038
Do any of them?

00:50:44.148 --> 00:50:44.807
Not even one.

00:50:45.228 --> 00:50:49.148
But, it does remind me that it puts me back.

00:50:49.867 --> 00:50:52.018
I really don't mean it when you're angry, because you don't.

00:50:52.532 --> 00:50:58.643
But it puts me back into forgiveness and then I will put it into my practice because I do this every night.

00:50:59.242 --> 00:51:00.612
But I actually do this.

00:51:00.663 --> 00:51:02.023
I do, I will.

00:51:02.123 --> 00:51:04.922
Sometimes I'll say it under my breath in the moment.

00:51:05.072 --> 00:51:06.202
I'll say, I forgive you.

00:51:06.202 --> 00:51:06.822
I forgive you.

00:51:06.822 --> 00:51:07.422
I forgive you.

00:51:07.443 --> 00:51:07.943
No, I don't.

00:51:07.963 --> 00:51:08.523
No, I don't.

00:51:08.543 --> 00:51:09.092
Yes, I do.

00:51:09.092 --> 00:51:10.443
I know.

00:51:10.443 --> 00:51:12.123
It's that kind of a thing inside your head.

00:51:12.293 --> 00:51:17.922
Can you talk about a favorite song, book, movie, anything that you.

00:51:18.257 --> 00:51:18.867
You may want to share.

00:51:20.577 --> 00:51:26.728
Anything that Coldplay has ever written is usually my favorite, but I'm also a really big fan of Stairway to Heaven.

00:51:26.768 --> 00:51:27.478
Awesome.

00:51:27.748 --> 00:51:28.237
Wonderful.

00:51:28.978 --> 00:51:31.347
But Coldplay can do no wrong in my eyes.

00:51:33.088 --> 00:51:35.737
What about a piece of advice for your younger self?

00:51:36.322 --> 00:51:48.512
If I was gonna talk to my younger self, I would actually legit tell her to start checking her breasts and do it every day, and do it at least once a month to see if I could, especially in 2012.

00:51:48.902 --> 00:51:55.693
Because if I could have avoided that or at least caught it earlier, it would have been, that would have been really good.

00:51:55.693 --> 00:52:01.307
And I think I'd probably tell her to Lighten up.

00:52:02.568 --> 00:52:06.697
I was a very angry, serious young kid, so I think I'd like to tell her to lighten up.

00:52:08.128 --> 00:52:14.697
Not that she would believe me, because she wouldn't, but I We're in a house of teenage girls, so we understand that one well.

00:52:16.527 --> 00:52:19.818
Teenage Catherine would not have listened to adult Catherine, I guarantee it.

00:52:23.302 --> 00:52:23.572
Okay.

00:52:23.663 --> 00:52:24.802
You asked that question, Avi.

00:52:25.813 --> 00:52:26.722
So last one.

00:52:26.722 --> 00:52:28.592
What about a big opportunity?

00:52:28.643 --> 00:52:32.603
You can choose between a big opportunity or a limiting belief.

00:52:35.632 --> 00:52:38.987
To get rid of one or would I need more details?

00:52:38.987 --> 00:52:46.643
One that's out, you've had or you see out there, either one and Oh, I'll take limiting belief for five, Alex.

00:52:46.733 --> 00:52:46.943
Okay.

00:52:48.543 --> 00:52:49.072
Go for it.

00:52:49.652 --> 00:52:51.043
Limiting belief.

00:52:52.708 --> 00:52:54.177
Rich people are bad.

00:52:54.847 --> 00:52:56.068
Money is evil.

00:52:57.177 --> 00:53:01.007
But I want to be rich, and I want to make a lot of money.

00:53:01.378 --> 00:53:23.177
Does everybody understand that you're canceling out the thoughts, and you're not going to get that lottery win, and you're not going to make any money if you think every rich person is bad, and they're all grifters, they're all out, I don't like them, they're horrible people, they take advantage, but I want to be rich so bad, I'd love to live the lot, I'd love, my dream is to live in that house and win the lottery.

00:53:24.253 --> 00:53:29.362
Money is energy and you can forgive money the energy around money.

00:53:29.373 --> 00:53:35.288
You can start, you can start changing that by Thinking about all the grateful things you are.

00:53:35.588 --> 00:53:40.637
I know some very wealthy people and they were warm, friendly, approachable, and absolutely stunning people.

00:53:41.197 --> 00:53:46.038
Carol Burnett was one of my lighthouses as a kid way back in the 1960s.

00:53:46.467 --> 00:53:51.998
And I was a very young little kid, but the story goes that there's my great grandmother was in New York city.

00:53:52.228 --> 00:53:53.197
She was toddling home.

00:53:54.748 --> 00:53:56.128
She, it was pouring rain.

00:53:56.402 --> 00:54:03.063
And it was really windy and she had her umbrella and she had her groceries and she was really trying to get home walking down Park Avenue.

00:54:03.293 --> 00:54:06.132
This big black stretched limousine pulls over to the side.

00:54:06.132 --> 00:54:10.592
This woman in a silk wrapped dress gets out, soaked to the bone the minute she gets out.

00:54:11.103 --> 00:54:13.052
Asks my grandmother if she needs help.

00:54:13.262 --> 00:54:14.722
Settled her into the limousine.

00:54:15.012 --> 00:54:15.893
Put a blanket around her.

00:54:16.693 --> 00:54:25.043
On her knees, took her back to her house, settled her, made sure she had a cup of tea, and then went about her way.

00:54:25.132 --> 00:54:26.043
That was Carol Burnett.

00:54:26.663 --> 00:54:30.492
And I always wanted to thank Carol Burnett for helping my great grandmother.

00:54:30.492 --> 00:54:38.163
And when I put my book out, Rainbows and Banana Peels, which is a book about my cancer journey, my husband found her address, and we sent her a copy.

00:54:38.353 --> 00:54:41.963
And she wrote me a little note, which I treasure more than anything else.

00:54:42.273 --> 00:54:46.152
So the minute that you think that rich people are bad, not all of them are.

00:54:46.422 --> 00:54:51.402
There are some warm, lovely people out there that are doing wonderful work.

00:54:51.853 --> 00:55:01.262
So if you think all rich people are bad and you really want to be rich, I think you need to change your mindset because you're going to get nowhere fast.

00:55:01.793 --> 00:55:02.213
I love that.

00:55:02.213 --> 00:55:06.032
Take it from somebody who's had a long, strange trip with money.

00:55:06.032 --> 00:55:07.163
I love that.

00:55:07.182 --> 00:55:13.702
That is something we'll have to talk more about that after, because we definitely have our hangups around that for sure.

00:55:14.277 --> 00:55:18.038
Yeah, and I would even argue that this is the first book of three.

00:55:18.077 --> 00:55:22.237
So the next book is going to be Wow, on the self, I think there's a delay with Louie.

00:55:22.373 --> 00:55:23.592
Yeah.

00:55:24.353 --> 00:55:24.572
Yeah.

00:55:24.592 --> 00:55:29.472
I would even argue that it's not it's not some people, some rich people are bad or good.

00:55:29.663 --> 00:55:39.682
I actually believe most of them are good and we vilify them because some of us who don't have it right, especially, but one one of my heroes is Charlie Munger, who was Warren Buffett's.

00:55:39.748 --> 00:55:43.728
partner and he always said, if you want to be a billionaire, go help a billion people.

00:55:44.077 --> 00:55:45.818
It all lies in exactly people.

00:55:45.898 --> 00:55:46.807
And that's how you get there.

00:55:46.838 --> 00:55:49.757
So that added some beautiful people out there.

00:55:49.927 --> 00:55:50.688
Absolutely.

00:55:52.393 --> 00:55:57.893
And only a few rich people are legitimately horrible, and they sour the entire bunch, don't they?

00:55:57.893 --> 00:56:00.143
It's like telling every New Yorker is horrible.

00:56:00.333 --> 00:56:02.512
We're not horrible people, we're actually really friendly.

00:56:02.523 --> 00:56:03.443
We're just in your face.

00:56:04.322 --> 00:56:09.143
And we don't pull our punches, but yeah it's a shame that they have to sour the entire bunch.

00:56:09.143 --> 00:56:10.693
There's some really great people out there.

00:56:10.983 --> 00:56:12.652
There's some really horrible ones too.

00:56:12.682 --> 00:56:14.172
Don't email me, I understand that.

00:56:14.172 --> 00:56:15.213
But there's some good ones too.

00:56:15.742 --> 00:56:16.143
That's right.

00:56:16.643 --> 00:56:21.907
Catherine People want to know a little bit more about you, maybe get your book and, work with you.

00:56:21.918 --> 00:56:23.057
How can they go about doing so?

00:56:24.347 --> 00:56:27.057
Just see, my books are all available on Amazon.

00:56:27.208 --> 00:56:31.568
I have the ebook, the paperback and the audio book available for everybody.

00:56:31.838 --> 00:56:33.168
The audio book was done by.

00:56:34.117 --> 00:56:36.268
My younger son and I'm still talking to him.

00:56:36.277 --> 00:56:37.057
So there you go.

00:56:37.168 --> 00:56:45.577
We're still talking to each other So we made it through you can also go to my website Catherine Giovanni comm and Catherine is spelled a little strangely Thanks to my mother.

00:56:45.577 --> 00:56:58.612
Thanks mom K a t h a r i n e Giovanni calm, but if you type in Catherine with an e a K and an e you'll act Actually get me too, because my husband bought that the misspelling domain as well.

00:56:58.612 --> 00:57:02.143
Yeah, very good.

00:57:02.322 --> 00:57:04.172
Catherine, this has been a real joy.

00:57:04.293 --> 00:57:05.552
I've, I know I've learned a lot.

00:57:05.563 --> 00:57:09.313
This is a recording that I will probably be thinking about for a long time.

00:57:09.313 --> 00:57:10.733
And I think our listeners will too.

00:57:11.112 --> 00:57:12.382
So thank you for coming on.

00:57:12.413 --> 00:57:14.443
Stacey, do you have anything you want to say to Catherine?

00:57:14.492 --> 00:57:16.793
No just you're a gift to humanity.

00:57:16.952 --> 00:57:20.652
So thank you for doing your work as challenging as it can be at times.

00:57:20.972 --> 00:57:21.443
Yeah.

00:57:21.882 --> 00:57:24.612
But you're here for that bigger purpose and it's very important.

00:57:25.253 --> 00:57:25.693
Yes.

00:57:25.873 --> 00:57:26.652
Thank you so much.

00:57:26.652 --> 00:57:28.952
I appreciate it.

00:57:29.503 --> 00:57:29.773
Yeah.

00:57:29.822 --> 00:57:30.273
Thank you.

00:57:30.333 --> 00:57:32.702
And Stacy, thank you for being here on the Wayfinder show again.

00:57:33.242 --> 00:57:34.052
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