Small Steps, Big Wins with Sue Saller

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You know, you can change regardless of where you are.

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It has nothing to do with your age.

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It has nothing to do with your status.

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If you want to change, you can.

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I'm 52 and I radically changed my life last year and it's not over yet.

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It's just getting started.

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Welcome to The Wayfinder Show with Luis Hernandez, where guests discuss the why and how of making changes that led them down a more authentic path or allow them to level up in some area of their life.

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Welcome back to the way finder show.

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I'm your host louis hernandez.

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And today i'm here with my good friend Sue saller sue is a fellow podcaster.

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We actually started around the same time I think She might be ahead of me in how many Episodes she's done in such she's phenomenal very inspirational and she is Wrapping up on a book That is the same title of her podcast called Small Steps Big Wins.

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And I'm really excited to talk to her about this.

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So Sue, welcome to The Wayfinder Show.

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Hey, Luis.

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Thanks for having me.

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I'm so excited to be here.

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Likewise.

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This is going to be fun.

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I know we know each other through, through a mutual mastermind that we're been a part of.

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I think we joined around the same time, started a podcast around the same time.

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I think you and I have actually been the most disciplined with it too, right?

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We, I know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're still going.

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Oh, and yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm on, 149.

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Oh, you're way ahead of me.

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I'm at one.

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I just posted my 149th podcast.

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Amazing.

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Wow.

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Good kudos to you.

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And you've been very consistent with it.

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I noticed too.

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So that kudos to you.

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I'm at about one thing with the way finder show and, no, and I'm sorry.

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One 30, we're at about one 30.

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You'll be around one 30.

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so you're way ahead of me, but, tell us about you.

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you writing your podcast is similar to ours in that you really try to, help people, just improve in life.

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Right.

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Well, tell us a little bit about your show.

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Yeah.

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So small subs, big wins podcast.

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Started in January, 2023, still going strong as he said, I post once a week.

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I was doing a series for a little while called Wednesday wisdoms.

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So there's quite a few of those that are out there.

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I've kind of paused to them for the last couple of months because I made a big life transition back in June and I left where I was living and, you know, quit my job and went out to exercise.

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At Iowa to take a operations position with a plumbing and heating company.

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So I completely changed my profession, quit my job and came out here, but yeah, small steps, big ones, podcasts really just started out of my desire to want to help people win like ordinary people you have a lot of podcasts that are like, listen to this multimillionaire listen to this.

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well known person I've been blessed to have some pretty Famous people on my podcast, but I also wanted to just inspire everyday people that, you don't have to do grandiose things.

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You just have to take those small steps and they do lead to big wins.

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It's just taking that first step and, inspiring people to do that.

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So it started as wanting to get the stories out of our mastermind.

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There were a lot of stories in there of people doing some really cool things.

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And I thought, Hey, I think let's capture that and started talking to them.

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And next thing I knew the guests started changing and I got a lot of authors lately.

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I've had a lot of people on who have written all different types of books.

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And so I've really enjoyed talking to different authors.

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I've had a lot of life coaches on there, a lot of different types of coaches.

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I had Jim Cathcart on.

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I've also talked to Brian Johnson who founded an app called heroic and wrote a book called Arte.

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So yeah, so I've just, I've just really enjoyed putting content out there to help inspire people to be a better version of themselves.

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Yeah, that's amazing.

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And then actually out of that, I was just, yeah, I mean, just inspired to write a book off of that.

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That's great.

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to, towards a book idea, just as I get on other podcasts and people want to hear my story, it's kind of making me, think about that as well.

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So it seems to go hand in hand.

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I don't know if I will get to it.

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I say maybe at some point, but.

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i'm really enjoying the show on its own tell us about your story though a little bit I'm, i'm curious to know who is sue saller well, where do you?

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You start right when you're when you know to ask that question to somebody who's in their 20s.

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It's really easy to get a quick answer because when you've only lived 20 years of life and half of it happens to be like with your parents for the most part, you know, you can get a pretty easy answer.

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When you get up around forties and fifties, it becomes more challenging because you look at your life as something that is, you put it into buckets, right?

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You know, I did this, I did this, I did this.

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And for me, I've worn a lot of hats over my lifetime.

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I've been a homeschooling mom.

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I've been a math teacher.

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I was a financial advisor.

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I now help operate a plumbing and heating company.

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But then in between all of that as well, I started a podcast, I wrote a book and the common thread is that I love to build things and I love to help people.

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So that's kind of me.

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that's the 50, 000 birds eye view.

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And I'm more than happy to go into any of that, but that's, that's where I am today.

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Yeah, you know, I think we're two birds of a feather here, right?

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I at least love starting to build things.

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I think, I'm realizing that continuing to build over a while, I'd like to get it to a certain point and then maybe hand it off at some point.

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But launching things is really fun for me.

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well, I'm curious as to what, by now you've built quite a few things.

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I mean, you got a full life, which is very exciting.

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how did you ever have any fears around, just starting over doing anything different?

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Yeah.

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I battle fear every day.

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You know, fear is one of those very interesting things.

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And at first, a lot of what I did in life, I didn't take risks and I didn't do things because I was so fearful.

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And a couple of years ago, there was this turning point for me and it probably was right around the time I started in the mastermind group that we're in, that was in October 2022.

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And when I.

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Join the group and realize that there are these people out here taking these risks that started paying off for them I started really pressing into okay.

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What am I really afraid of?

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What?

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Risk, am I what risk am I running from or what am I keeping myself from from living a really full life?

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And they were hard questions at first, and sometimes they, you know, I still struggle with them a little bit, but not so much so, but it was a process.

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It wasn't like overnight I woke up and I go, I'm not fearful anymore.

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It was more of a, coming to a realization that once I face those things that I'm afraid of, that worst case scenario.

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Doesn't usually happen.

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some of the big fears that were in front of me were quitting my job where I had this security to it.

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And for a lot of people, you know, you don't want to quit your job.

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There's that financial security.

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There's, the healthcare security it's that stability security.

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But when I realized that my job was not allowing me to live a full life.

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I had to face that fear, you know, it's like, okay, if I leave this job, I go somewhere else.

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So just to back up a little bit, I started studying fear and the beauty of a podcast, Louise, and I'm sure you found this as well.

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I started looking for guests and.

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I think one of my very, very first guests early on was a medical doctor by the name of Dr.

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David Powers.

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And Dave was, an ambulance, he, he used to ride on an ambulance.

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He used to be in the military.

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So my natural question to him was, Hey, Dave, you know, are you afraid of anything?

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You know, what kind of fears do you have?

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And he's like, Oh God.

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Yeah.

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He's like, I'm around fear all the time.

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I, and then, so we bounced off into this conversation of facing fears.

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And what I come to learn after I started studying fear is that fear and excitement are different sides of the same coin, and that fear and excitement in the body produces the same chemical reaction.

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The only difference is that our brain convinces us one way or another.

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So when you think about something that's fearful, you can go to this, you know, like, Oh my God, this is, I, I'm not going to do this because I'm quote unquote afraid.

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Or if you face a fear and you say to yourself, I'm excited about facing this fear, I'm going to deal with whatever comes out of it.

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Then the chemical reaction in the body is the same, but it's the mindset around what it is that you have to face.

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So when I started Facing my fears in a way where I reframed what it was that I was afraid of, I was able to take a little bit more risk.

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I was able to look at something more objectively and I was able not to be so afraid of that thing that I was walking into.

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So one of my big fears was quitting my job, which I did.

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I quit my financial advising job because the universe had brought me a really.

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unique opportunity to be a director of operations for a plumbing and heating company in Iowa.

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And I looked at it and I'm like, well, I don't have anything to lose.

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I'm afraid to do it.

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There is a risk here, but the reward is far greater and it could fail.

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You know, it could fail, but I'm at the point in my life now where I'm okay.

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You know, I'll be okay.

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Even if it did fail, I have the ability to bounce back and be okay and press into something else.

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Just this process, and it didn't happen overnight, like I said, it took probably a good year, you know, for me to really wrap my brain around doing things that, Were what seemed impossible to me and one of the things out of writing my book Which honestly writing the book was extremely cathartic for me but one of the things that came out of it was Actually, I wrote in the book After reading Jason Drees, Jason Drees is a mindset coach and he wrote a book called do the impossible.

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And he has a great quote in there that I always go back to.

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And that, you know, things are not, or things that you want to do are not impossible.

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They're just uncommon.

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So, what might seem impossible to you, I just reframe it as something uncommon.

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Or what's impossible to people, oh, you can't do that, that's impossible, I just go, well, it's just uncommon.

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So, for me, I don't look at challenges now as things that are impossible, I just say, okay, well, I'm just climbing something that's uncommon, not necessarily impossible.

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And then it neutralizes the fear as well.

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For me.

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I mean, that's just personally for me.

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Right.

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so I'm curious, your fear around leaving the financial advising job, right?

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you had some security, you were familiar with it.

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You knew what it was, how to do it.

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It was common to you, I guess, right?

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Did you already, you knew you wanted to leave though.

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Did you have an idea?

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Hey, I want to become a director of ops for a plumbing and heating company, like, Yeah, no, that fell in my lap that was completely out of nowhere I had actually been trying to leave my job for almost a year to be honest with you I had put my quit letter in oh gosh, it was July 2023 and due to the nature of the job.

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I actually had a three month retainer from quitting So I had to put in a three month notice.

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After the fact, I found out from people, they're like, that's totally crazy that you have to stay on for three months.

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Months after you quit and I'm like, yeah, I know I'm not going to go into the why or where that came from but I Was okay with it at the time and at the time I quit I thought I was going to transition and be an entrepreneur.

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I was going to go be a life coach I was gonna go be a consultant for other companies and start building them out and actually start learning to be a C O O, you know, an integrator for other companies.

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And I thought these job offers would just come my way and becoming a life coach was going to be super easy.

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It clients would just come out of nowhere and fall at my feet.

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Well, I came to learn rather quickly that.

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That didn't happen.

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That's really hard to do.

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And I was thankful for my job at that time.

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So I was still employed in July, August and September.

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And right around that time, I had a few very traumatic events happen, which is what triggered post traumatic growth, which is what triggered me to go find a life coach.

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And then out of that, I wrote a book.

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So that whole last, like the last six months of 2023 were just one of just turmoil and change and a whole lot of just, difficulties.

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I mean, just like just traumatic events, just a whole string of traumatic events.

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And out of that, my boss at the time said, well, you know, I'm not going to rescind your, Resignation letter and I'm like, oh, okay.

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So I really am losing my job the end of December and the realization hit me.

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That is like, oh, wait, I don't have, I don't have anything else coming down the pike.

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So December came and went January 1st arrived and he's like, well, you can see.

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Stay on and work 20 hours a week, which I did.

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And he was supposed to find somebody else and reduce my hours.

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And I, out of that actually, it wound up being what I thought was crummy because I obviously took a 50 percent pay cut wound up being a really good thing.

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Because it gave me the space that I needed, number one, to continue podcasting and press into that.

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And number two, I actually had the headspace and time to write my book.

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So somewhere in the middle of January, I had such a burning desire to write about everything that had been happening to me in the previous six months.

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And I read a book by a friend of mine her name is Chrissy Meyer and she wrote a book called Reluctantly Resilient.

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And in that book, it talks about the five areas of post traumatic growth.

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And in the course of reading her book, I went, Oh my God, I went through all five of those categories.

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Can you define what post traumatic growth is?

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Sure.

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Absolutely.

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and this is what my book actually was written around.

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So yeah, I'm more than happy to do that.

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So my book is called Small Steps, Big Wins, and it chronicles the.

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Events that happened to me that led up to my post traumatic growth and then all the things that came out of it.

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So post traumatic growth is kind of the opposite of trauma where trauma in itself will cause people to go negative into a negative spiral.

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You know, how some, when you're traumatized and that's what we're used to, we're used to that kind of trauma where, Oh my God, you would say something like, Oh, she was really traumatized by that event.

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And it would have a negative connotation.

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And that's how it would map on that person.

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Post traumatic growth is the, Opposite what it, what it's defined as is you have a traumatic event, but instead of the person reacting in such a way that they go in the negative, the outcomes are positive.

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And they've actually been studying this for, at least the past 30 years, and these two guys were studying post traumatic growth and they were able to identify five relatively distinct areas of post traumatic growth.

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And the five areas are personal strength and appreciation for life relationship with others, spiritual or existential changes that happen in the person.

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And the fifth category is new possibilities.

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And in the course of reading Chrissy's book, she also experienced post traumatic growth.

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But then I realized, so did I.

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So my coach challenged me.

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He's like, why don't you write a book?

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And I did.

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I actually, he challenged me and then somebody completely not related to him about a week later also challenged me.

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to write a book.

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He had no idea.

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So I thought, well, this is the universe's way of capturing my attention to go write a book.

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So, to come back back to the beginning of January, February, by the middle of January, I'm like, I think I ought to write a book.

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And then somebody challenged me, can you write the first chapter by the, in, in, by the end of the week.

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Well, by the end of the week, I had actually written three chapters of my book.

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I had it titled out and written.

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And then, fast forward by the end of February, I had the first draft written and my book actually blossomed into 12 or 13 chapters.

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it's coming out well, by the time this podcast comes out, my book already be already be out, but it's somewhere around 200 pages and it's just chronicling my, a lot of the.

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experiences that I had in life, but then tied it back into post traumatic growth.

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So really it's more of a philosophical memoir, I guess if you want to put it into a category, but it's also packed with lots of practical application.

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And at the end of every one of my chapters, I reference my podcast.

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So people can go and listen to something that has to do with that chapter.

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So if they want it to learn more, hear more, You know, they have something else that they could go to besides just reading what was in the book.

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I'm curious about, I had never heard of, post traumatic growth defined before, but I, I imagine that at some point we go through traumas, right?

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That's part of life.

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And, at some point we reach, we go from, we, we all enter a growth phase, right?

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Yeah.

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And we start to experience, you know, some of these, we have to use some of these, five factors.

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Am I right?

00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:09.490
yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess so.

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You know, I mean, it, I guess it just depends on how you look at trauma.

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You know, if you think about Louise, it's just, it just really comes back to what's your perspective on how, how things happen to you, right.

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You know, I.

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It's what lens you view your situations through.

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So for example, somebody can have.

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You can take two people that have the same event happen to them and one can think about it in a positive light and the other one can, can think about it in a negative light.

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It's the same situation, but you have two different people who have different outcomes.

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So it's just really how you view traumatic events.

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It's like the same thing with failure.

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You know, if you think about it, failure can either be devastating for somebody or failure can be just an opportunity to learn, right?

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It's just a matter of your perspective.

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Yeah.

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And how deep you want to go into how quote unquote bad the failure is, right?

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You know, if you don't look at things as failures, if you just look at them as opportunities to learn, it's like, Oh, okay, I messed that one up.

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You know, take this opportunity to learn and go do something different the next time.

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Right.

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So it really just boils down to mindset.

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I really, really believe at the end of the day, it's how you view those things and it's your choice.

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You know, we all have this choice.

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I have a choice to be on this podcast.

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I have a choice to how I look at my circumstances.

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And when we remove that and say, okay, if you think you don't have a choice, then you open up that door, that opportunity to play the victim for things that happen in your life, as opposed to taking responsibility and understanding that, even if something happened to you, that wasn't your fault.

00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.359
You still have a choice in how you respond.

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That's right.

00:21:05.369 --> 00:21:05.569
Yeah.

00:21:05.569 --> 00:21:06.160
Very good.

00:21:06.950 --> 00:21:15.869
So, And I also agree, you know, when certain circumstances happen to us, to two different people, same circumstance, how you can see it differently.

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Cause my sister and I have talked about, I've been in a few podcasts and described like our upgrade.

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she just sees it totally different than how I did and just like, really, weren't you there?

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And, there's been some things that have happened to each of us that we were in the same room and where some people would label as traumatic and we didn't, we weren't even aware of it.

00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.720
the other one was not aware of it, which is, it's just amazing how that works.

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Right.

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How would you differentiate trauma from failure then?

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Wow.

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That's a great question.

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Me personally, I would say level of degree.

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failure for me is where I failed to either do something properly or I failed to complete a task or, I did something I didn't think of failure here.

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I kind of take personally myself, take the responsibility end of it.

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Trauma?

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Gosh.

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Trauma is generally, you know, like there's usually more than just me involved.

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At least that this is my experience.

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You know, my traumas that I had were around other people or other circumstances.

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Versus just being something that I did myself.

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So I just find trauma being more, just, yeah, just more deeper than a failure failures.

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I let go of a lot more, you know, trauma tends to stick around, I think.

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so I don't know if that really answered your question.

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Well, I think, you know, I think it's.

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It just depends on who it, yeah, yeah.

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It's my answer.

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It just depends on how you view it.

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You know, I don't look at failures too much anymore.

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I used to wallow in regret and actually writing my book, there's a whole chapter on regret and I lived my life in regret and I, you know, I would say I've written about and I've said that, you know, regret is a thief.

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And if you let it, it will steal your life away.

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And failures fall into that as well.

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You know, regret's a thief.

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If you live in that land of regret, and a lot of times it's coupled with a failure.

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Oh, I failed to do this, so I regret I didn't do that.

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So a lot of times they go hand in hand.

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And if you live in that world where you regret everything, then you're living in the past.

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And when you live in the past, you just, you live in this state of depression And I used to stay, I used to be there, Louise.

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I mean, I spent my whole life living in regret, wishing I would have bought that car or wish I didn't return that thing.

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Or, you know, I regret I didn't do this.

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I regret I didn't do that.

00:24:09.384 --> 00:24:19.065
And out of all the stuff that happened to me last year and through coaching, and I've done a lot of personal development in the last year.

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I mean, a lot of personal development to really get to the point where I realized, you know, just screw regret.

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Like, it's not productive anymore.

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And I got to that point where I'm like, I'm not going to live my life like that anymore.

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Regret is this thief.

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And to have that personal agency and that strength to turn around, say, you know what?

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I'm not going to accept that anymore.

00:24:40.565 --> 00:24:42.664
And again, it comes back to choice, doesn't it?

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It's my choice to live in regret or it's my choice to let it go.

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It was very, very freeing for me when I realized that you have that choice.

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You know, so I let go of the failure.

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I don't look at the failures anymore.

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I look at them as opportunities to learn.

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You know, you're either winning or you're learning I love the reframe of the word mistake.

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So if you look at the word mistake and you say it really fast, it's like, Oh, I did a mistake.

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I failed at something.

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Usually they can, they can go hand in hand depending on how you're looking at it.

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But if you take the word mistake and you break it apart, the first part is miss.

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And the second part is take.

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So, a mistake is something that you missed.

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A take on, it neutralizes mistake where it's like, Oh, okay, I missed my mark.

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It was just a mistake.

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I didn't, I didn't hit my mark.

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So I missed take, I get to take it over.

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I get a retake, turn mistake into a retake.

00:25:42.154 --> 00:25:42.625
Yeah, I love that.

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And I get to do it again.

00:25:44.924 --> 00:25:45.384
I love that.

00:25:45.384 --> 00:25:49.295
That's very profound and I love your, definition of regret as a thief.

00:25:49.494 --> 00:25:51.595
That, that's a quote I wrote down.

00:25:51.625 --> 00:25:52.694
it's quite profound.

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What, I'm curious if you still sometimes subtly see the old, You're very conscious, you know, you're very conscious as to how you've changed to Let go of regret and fears and what have you.

00:26:08.509 --> 00:26:09.869
And I think we all work on that, right?

00:26:09.869 --> 00:26:13.359
That's an ongoing process that we all work on if we have a growth mindset.

00:26:14.150 --> 00:26:19.579
However, what I've started to wake up to lately is how it shows up in our behaviors.

00:26:20.410 --> 00:26:23.039
And maybe that's not so conscious, right?

00:26:23.299 --> 00:26:29.420
Somebody let us down, so therefore maybe we don't trust them to do something for us anymore, right?

00:26:29.690 --> 00:26:39.025
And we're not even, you know, that could be a behavior that we're, based on the past, something that happened in the past that we are still carrying.

00:26:39.454 --> 00:26:39.884
Right.

00:26:40.345 --> 00:26:42.454
Do you, do you see that still show up?

00:26:42.454 --> 00:26:44.045
And if so, how do you recognize it?

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And how do you deal with it?

00:26:45.815 --> 00:26:46.325
Oh, wow.

00:26:48.134 --> 00:26:54.464
That's a great question because I've done a lot of personal coaching, so I've done a lot of self development work.

00:26:54.464 --> 00:26:57.924
So I kind of put myself into two buckets.

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I have the old version of me and the new version of me, but that old version.

00:27:03.565 --> 00:27:04.664
still hangs out.

00:27:04.904 --> 00:27:12.585
You know, I, I'm never going to get rid of that old version, those old habits that I have, those thought patterns that don't serve me.

00:27:13.684 --> 00:27:23.474
What I've come to realize is that they're going to be there, but the less I listen to them and the less I give into them, the more they fade.

00:27:23.924 --> 00:27:25.924
So it's not like they're never there.

00:27:26.204 --> 00:27:32.404
But, because they are, it's just whether or not I give them space to ruminate.

00:27:34.035 --> 00:27:46.464
So it's that older, like when, when that stuff creeps up, I, I've, I find myself, I can, I can catch it faster because I'm more aware of it.

00:27:47.585 --> 00:27:49.424
And sometimes it doesn't creep up at all.

00:27:49.424 --> 00:27:52.345
So it's just, it really depends on the circumstance.

00:27:52.375 --> 00:28:00.625
And I don't, as far as people goes, you know, I, it's funny.

00:28:00.644 --> 00:28:04.625
I don't put a lot on people anymore.

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I don't put a lot of expectation on people.

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I just let people be.

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I just let the people that are around me be who they are and accept them for who they are and realize that we're all flawed, you know, I'm flawed, you're flawed, you know, I'm not always going to get it right.

00:28:24.045 --> 00:28:24.815
Speak for yourself.

00:28:24.865 --> 00:28:34.269
And extending that grace to some, I try and get it right all the time, you know, but I think, you know, what I learned out of it is extending grace.

00:28:34.430 --> 00:28:42.569
But you know what I came to realize, Louise, really is that when I'm hard on other people, I've come to realize that I'm really hard on people.

00:28:42.569 --> 00:28:52.660
I can be a taskmaster and when I get in that space, I realized that I'm not extending grace to those people and really I'm not extending grace to myself.

00:28:54.755 --> 00:28:57.184
And it all starts with, and I'm not loving myself.

00:28:57.194 --> 00:28:58.765
You have to love yourself first.

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You can't just go out there and love everybody else and not love yourself first.

00:29:02.315 --> 00:29:10.045
Cause it's really hard to do because when your buttons get pressed, you know, that that's going to come out, it's going to show.

00:29:10.575 --> 00:29:15.414
So it really starts with yourself first and starts inside and that you can extend that grace to others.

00:29:15.414 --> 00:29:18.954
When you start extending that grace to yourself, it's not easy to do.

00:29:19.289 --> 00:29:19.970
Definitely.

00:29:20.130 --> 00:29:22.460
I mean, it's something I have to work at all the time.

00:29:23.190 --> 00:29:23.500
Yeah.

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I mean, I give that as an example.

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Sometimes, you know, I can extend it easier to others.

00:29:27.170 --> 00:29:28.089
But yeah.

00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:37.269
I gave that as an example, but I'm wondering, Let's look at that time that you were still working in financial advising, that you knew you had to get out, right?

00:29:37.269 --> 00:29:38.559
You were just, you were done.

00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:46.480
Do you, but you kept it because you were comfortable, it was common to you, like we said, it was provided what you thought was security and what have you.

00:29:47.210 --> 00:29:52.230
and I know your new job is too new, to probably even compare, right?

00:29:52.230 --> 00:29:54.535
And you have clearly No, I feel like I've been doing it for four years.

00:29:55.075 --> 00:29:56.085
I've been in it for three months.

00:29:56.085 --> 00:29:56.505
I feel it.

00:29:57.025 --> 00:29:57.585
Do you really?

00:29:57.984 --> 00:30:02.795
But do you see anything in what you're doing now, comparable?

00:30:02.825 --> 00:30:13.204
And I don't mean like, physically the tasks or what have you, but is there any sentiment there where that level of feeling, like some of the things that led you to feel the way you did about financial advising.

00:30:13.954 --> 00:30:19.595
Do you see any similarities as to where you are now and still allowing them to happen again?

00:30:20.490 --> 00:30:31.250
Or are you now conscious of them enough that you can, you can shift in how you receive it and how you act towards it, you know, when the pattern arises?

00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:33.650
yeah, no, no, no, I understand what you're asking.

00:30:33.650 --> 00:30:41.670
So when I was a financial advisor, I realized that that job was not in alignment with who I am.

00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:46.064
It got to the point where it didn't feel authentic to me anymore.

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I didn't have a purpose.

00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.410
And it's really hard to stay.

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And something when you don't have a purpose.

00:30:54.970 --> 00:31:02.089
I mean, I did it for, I would say, well, I quit and I continued working almost a year later.

00:31:02.609 --> 00:31:07.920
So it was a long year for me to work at a job that.

00:31:08.384 --> 00:31:23.194
I knew I didn't want to do for the next 10 years, but I knew I had to do it for that season and it wasn't a job that allowed me to grow in and use my strengths, but I did it anyway.

00:31:23.704 --> 00:31:29.144
So to compare that job to what I do now, what I do now is a hundred times harder.

00:31:29.795 --> 00:31:35.954
a hundred times harder and, but, but it feels much more authentic to me.

00:31:36.224 --> 00:31:40.994
I can press into a lot of the, my strengths that I have.

00:31:41.295 --> 00:31:43.785
It's challenged me to grow as a person.

00:31:44.015 --> 00:31:45.875
I wouldn't trade it for the world, Luis.

00:31:45.914 --> 00:31:48.734
Honestly, it's one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life.

00:31:49.065 --> 00:31:56.625
I did a few things at once that I've learned that people shouldn't do and it has to do with life changes.

00:31:56.634 --> 00:32:01.384
So within the matter of about two weeks, I quit my job.

00:32:01.494 --> 00:32:02.894
I started a new job.

00:32:02.934 --> 00:32:09.694
I relocated 850 miles across the United States from South Carolina to Iowa.

00:32:10.095 --> 00:32:14.335
And, I'm in the process of separating from, my husband.

00:32:14.335 --> 00:32:22.075
So, you know, I have three major life changes that are happening and have happened all at the same time.

00:32:22.644 --> 00:32:27.565
And I've come to learn that you're not supposed to change so many things in such a short period of time.

00:32:27.565 --> 00:32:29.904
You're only supposed to pick one of them at once.

00:32:30.875 --> 00:32:31.234
I did.

00:32:31.234 --> 00:32:32.095
I ripped a bandage.

00:32:33.714 --> 00:32:33.954
I know.

00:32:33.954 --> 00:32:35.515
Yeah.

00:32:35.515 --> 00:32:36.984
If you're going to do it, you might as well do it.

00:32:37.234 --> 00:32:40.795
So you asked about the similarities between my old job and my new job.

00:32:40.855 --> 00:32:46.454
there's not a whole lot, but I've come to realize, you know, and this is with anything in life.

00:32:46.454 --> 00:32:53.444
if you are doing something that doesn't really feel right to you when the right thing comes along.

00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:55.130
Then you know, it's the right thing.

00:32:56.289 --> 00:33:02.930
So I was working a job that I knew wasn't in alignment with who I was that particular job.

00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:05.799
if somebody said, Hey, would you go back and be a financial advisor again?

00:33:06.029 --> 00:33:14.069
I probably would based on a certain set of conditions that I know I would want to meet in order to do that role.

00:33:14.224 --> 00:33:24.335
If that makes sense, like I know what I do want because I worked at what I don't want, the same thing with the job I do now, you know, I help operate a plumbing and heating company.

00:33:24.585 --> 00:33:26.055
I enjoy the job that I do.

00:33:26.075 --> 00:33:27.765
am I going to be doing it 10 years from now?

00:33:27.765 --> 00:33:28.335
I don't know.

00:33:28.394 --> 00:33:31.625
I'm okay with whatever Fate brings me.

00:33:31.674 --> 00:33:34.674
And if I move on to another job, then, you know, I know what to look for.

00:33:34.674 --> 00:33:35.224
I know what I like.

00:33:35.224 --> 00:33:36.005
I know what I don't like.

00:33:36.025 --> 00:33:39.085
There's no judgment one way or another, if that makes sense.

00:33:40.184 --> 00:33:40.835
Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:40.835 --> 00:33:42.045
I think that answered your question.

00:33:43.394 --> 00:33:43.845
Yeah.

00:33:44.045 --> 00:33:45.684
Yeah, definitely.

00:33:45.694 --> 00:33:52.055
It also sounds to me like the challenge of the job is, something you're enjoying as well.

00:33:52.174 --> 00:33:53.595
Were you feeling challenged before?

00:33:53.595 --> 00:33:54.164
Absolutely.

00:33:54.194 --> 00:33:54.365
Yeah.

00:33:54.365 --> 00:33:55.305
I love doing something new.

00:33:55.335 --> 00:33:57.055
And it was something that I had wanted to do.

00:33:57.105 --> 00:34:03.775
I set a vision for myself a year prior and I did that, you know, I had not only did I have.

00:34:05.164 --> 00:34:14.844
A vision board, but I had a poster on my mirror and it said, if I could do anything that I wanted and I knew I wasn't going to fail at it, what would it be?

00:34:15.215 --> 00:34:20.775
And one of the things on there was to build a company, to be a CEO, COO and help build a company.

00:34:21.090 --> 00:34:22.880
They get sold for a lot of money.

00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.190
It was, you know, to do something like that.

00:34:25.469 --> 00:34:29.489
was on there to write a book and, syndicate my podcast.

00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:36.179
Now the podcast syndication has not happened yet, but I did write a book, you know, and it was to grow.

00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:37.630
And the other was to grow a company.

00:34:37.630 --> 00:34:42.480
And here, this opportunity came my way to help, a CEO build out his company.

00:34:42.820 --> 00:34:48.079
So manifested and the opportunity came, the alignment felt really good.

00:34:48.090 --> 00:34:49.019
And I said, okay.

00:34:49.190 --> 00:34:50.280
You know, i'll take it.

00:34:50.449 --> 00:34:50.840
Yeah.

00:34:51.469 --> 00:34:52.110
that's amazing.

00:34:52.510 --> 00:35:07.650
Tell me more about We haven't talked about podcasting together Much, but we've been on some we probably should have a little mastermind around that but i'm curious to know how that has gone like what are the benefits you've seen from it and What do you enjoy from it?

00:35:07.650 --> 00:35:16.315
Yeah, i'm Oh my gosh, I get asked quite often about podcasts and they're like, so how much money do you make off of podcasting?

00:35:16.414 --> 00:35:17.405
I'm like, zero.

00:35:17.724 --> 00:35:18.875
You're not rich yet, Sue?

00:35:18.945 --> 00:35:20.235
Yeah, I'm not rich yet.

00:35:20.235 --> 00:35:20.934
Off of podcasting?

00:35:21.824 --> 00:35:23.585
you're not famous yet, you know.

00:35:23.655 --> 00:35:24.005
I know.

00:35:24.005 --> 00:35:24.784
Joe Rogan, watch out.

00:35:26.635 --> 00:35:27.005
Yeah.

00:35:27.775 --> 00:35:29.275
I don't do it for the money.

00:35:29.275 --> 00:35:30.695
there are so many things.

00:35:30.715 --> 00:35:37.664
I don't even know where to start to answer your question, to be honest with you, because there are so many positive things that have come out of podcasting.

00:35:38.164 --> 00:35:39.565
Like I said, I don't know where to start.

00:35:39.614 --> 00:35:42.784
It's, it made me a better communicator.

00:35:43.804 --> 00:35:54.275
I love talking to people, the connections that I've made and the people that I've met and the books that I've read just expanded my mind.

00:35:54.565 --> 00:36:04.954
I think the opportunity that I have out here to leave the job that I had to come out here was because of my podcast, because of the people that I've talked to.

00:36:04.954 --> 00:36:12.045
So I really can't put in a number on, on what I've gained by having a podcast.

00:36:12.175 --> 00:36:12.434
Right.

00:36:12.625 --> 00:36:15.295
So it's just in my network of people.

00:36:16.094 --> 00:36:17.525
I think it's just.

00:36:18.304 --> 00:36:19.235
I just enjoy it.

00:36:19.275 --> 00:36:22.494
Like I'm naturally curious as you are as well.

00:36:22.494 --> 00:36:34.375
So it's a good quality if you want to be a podcaster to be able to ask questions, to press into people and it just, you know, it's just made me, I just feel like it's just made me a better person to do it.

00:36:34.394 --> 00:36:37.014
So that's, that's what I've gained out of it.

00:36:37.074 --> 00:36:42.514
I mean, I love talking to people and getting to know them and learning about them.

00:36:42.534 --> 00:36:45.105
So my opportunity for my book came out of it.

00:36:45.144 --> 00:36:46.434
I met my life coach.

00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:47.630
through it.

00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.150
I met my podcast producer through it, through a series of events.

00:36:52.159 --> 00:37:01.079
it's interesting for those who are thinking about podcasting or giving up on podcasting or looking at their numbers and getting discouraged.

00:37:01.340 --> 00:37:06.489
My podcast producer is Mark Picard and he's a of ours.

00:37:06.489 --> 00:37:14.664
And Mark told me one time, I remember, Oh, gosh, I met him over a year ago and it must've been maybe a couple months after I met him.

00:37:15.135 --> 00:37:18.735
I was getting a little discouraged because my numbers weren't that high.

00:37:18.735 --> 00:37:22.614
And I said, Mark, I'm like, you know, I, should I give it up?

00:37:22.635 --> 00:37:24.355
You know, my numbers are so small.

00:37:24.375 --> 00:37:26.795
My downloads were like 40, 000.

00:37:27.335 --> 00:37:30.284
Downloads an episode, something really small like that.

00:37:30.284 --> 00:37:33.034
even the numbers aren't that big today, but I still do it.

00:37:33.454 --> 00:37:37.585
I only average maybe 30, 40, 50 downloads an episode.

00:37:37.585 --> 00:37:43.605
I have a few quirky episodes that have over a hundred downloads, but for the most part, it's not really big numbers.

00:37:44.045 --> 00:37:44.735
And Mark.

00:37:45.114 --> 00:37:52.485
He really said something profound to me that changed my entire perspective and really encouraged me to keep going.

00:37:52.485 --> 00:37:56.715
And he said, you know, Sue, he said, you only have 20 downloads.

00:37:56.764 --> 00:38:03.414
He said, I challenge you right now to go out to the coffee shop and get 20 people to listen to your podcast.

00:38:04.635 --> 00:38:06.605
And he said, do you know how hard that is?

00:38:07.375 --> 00:38:11.014
He said, so be grateful for those 20 who do listen.

00:38:11.025 --> 00:38:12.505
It's 20 more.

00:38:12.864 --> 00:38:17.784
You would not have reached if you didn't have a podcast to begin with if that makes sense, right?

00:38:17.925 --> 00:38:32.199
So I get 20 people a week who listen and if I was able to enrich 20 lives By me producing one podcast then you know, it was a success That's right.

00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.340
It's not about the numbers and when he put that into perspective for me, I thought, yep, you know what?

00:38:37.380 --> 00:38:38.340
It's, it's right.

00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:38.710
You know?

00:38:38.710 --> 00:38:41.119
So I keep going because I enjoy it a lot.

00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:42.619
So I've gotten so much out of it.

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:43.690
I really have.

00:38:44.139 --> 00:38:49.090
And, and plus the people on the other end, you know, they get a chance to promote their book or what they do.

00:38:49.130 --> 00:38:52.280
Now I don't do a lot of promotion, like podcast.

00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.789
I just love having a great deep conversation with people.

00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.550
but I seem to have a lot of authors and speakers and.

00:39:01.219 --> 00:39:04.440
Coaches and just really some great guests all around.

00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:05.820
Yeah, you do.

00:39:06.099 --> 00:39:19.230
And I concur with you that there's no, price like dollar value that you can place, to podcasting, but the other, the just, there's so much other value that you get out of it.

00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:20.510
it's just amazing.

00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:22.630
And you know what I find funny too?

00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.289
Sue is you know, we'll have a problem at home.

00:39:25.300 --> 00:39:41.554
My wife and I'll be talking about something my daughter is going to school in madrid She's going to be starting in january And she's been getting anxious and scared and now she's talking about not going we're like No, we gotta commit to all this stuff and i'm like who can we talk to just earlier today?

00:39:41.644 --> 00:39:44.034
I talked to a lady named kimra here.

00:39:44.034 --> 00:39:53.829
Who's a master's level weightlifting champion, who developed into one after getting diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, by the way, and, super inspirational.

00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:55.510
Guess where she lives?

00:39:56.139 --> 00:39:56.829
Madrid.

00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:04.469
we start having this long conversation before the show, and after the show about life in Madrid.

00:40:04.469 --> 00:40:08.889
And now she's talking to my daughter and she's going to, you know, hopefully make her feel good.

00:40:08.889 --> 00:40:10.300
We know we have another friend there.

00:40:10.625 --> 00:40:13.195
our mutual friend, Mark Picard, lives in Barcelona.

00:40:13.675 --> 00:40:16.804
I'm envious now because I've been meaning to visit Mark for like months now.

00:40:16.815 --> 00:40:18.505
He's like, I'm such a big fan of his.

00:40:18.695 --> 00:40:19.445
I am such a big fan.

00:40:19.445 --> 00:40:19.864
Oh my God.

00:40:19.864 --> 00:40:20.094
Yeah.

00:40:20.255 --> 00:40:24.485
That was probably one of the top five recordings I ever had with people.

00:40:24.875 --> 00:40:27.574
You know, he's been on my podcast several times.

00:40:27.574 --> 00:40:37.385
I think we've interviewed twice and he and I did a mini series on for Wednesday wisdoms talking about coaching and just, just some really profound.

00:40:37.585 --> 00:40:37.885
Yeah.

00:40:39.375 --> 00:40:39.635
Oh yeah.

00:40:39.635 --> 00:40:40.844
I love talking to him.

00:40:40.855 --> 00:40:41.375
It's great.

00:40:41.385 --> 00:40:41.655
Yeah.

00:40:41.655 --> 00:40:46.014
He's one of those guys that one day we're going to brag about knowing him before everybody knows him.

00:40:46.195 --> 00:40:46.215
Yeah.

00:40:47.715 --> 00:40:48.275
This is true.

00:40:48.545 --> 00:40:48.715
Yeah.

00:40:50.445 --> 00:41:21.755
Thing how it's amazing how the universe and you know, I don't Necessarily have to go into the spiritual conversation So whether you believe in God whether you believe in universe or whatever it is life force You know energy whatever you want It's amazing how when you are looking at those positive things come your way in life Like and how that stuff unfolds I read a great book by Michael singer called the Surrender Experiment.

00:41:22.114 --> 00:41:23.445
He actually wrote three books.

00:41:23.474 --> 00:41:25.534
The first is called The Surrender Experiment.

00:41:25.815 --> 00:41:31.224
The second is called, The Untethered Soul and the third is Living Untethered.

00:41:31.574 --> 00:41:36.675
And I recommend reading all three of them in that order, starting with The Surrender Experiment.

00:41:36.675 --> 00:41:42.545
Although I think he wrote that one second, I'm not sure, but I read them in that order that I just said.

00:41:42.594 --> 00:41:44.625
Surrender Experiment changed my life.

00:41:45.695 --> 00:42:01.875
It changed my life because I was the type of person, not only I still am, but I don't give into it as much a perfectionist and along with the perfectionism came control and I wanted to control outcomes and control situation.

00:42:03.019 --> 00:42:08.230
But the more I tried to control things, the more you realize you can't control things.

00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:13.590
The only thing I came to learn is that I can control only my own thoughts and feelings and my reactions.

00:42:13.909 --> 00:42:16.880
But once I go outside of myself, I can't control other people.

00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:22.849
And I used to live my life thinking, you know, I can control my kids.

00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:26.960
And when you're a parent, you fall into this trap.

00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:33.210
If you think about it while you're parenting children, especially young children, you want to quote unquote, control their behavior.

00:42:34.309 --> 00:42:40.650
So if you never grow out of that state of control as a parent, you think as they get older, you just control everybody.

00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:40.840
Right?

00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.099
So I used to live in the state where I would control, I want to control the situation.

00:42:45.099 --> 00:42:50.360
Well, when I read the book called the surrender experiment, this is where Michael Singer went through this.

00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:55.070
He had this moment where he had this voice in his head and it's really hard for me.

00:42:55.219 --> 00:42:55.599
I don't.

00:42:55.889 --> 00:42:57.210
Want to give the whole book away.

00:42:57.210 --> 00:43:09.670
And I don't want to give a synopsis of it because it is kind of deep in a way, but the idea of the entire book was just to allow life to unfold, surrender to the moment, surrender to what comes to you and stop trying to control it.

00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:17.829
So he writes the book talking about his life experiences and how he literally was small steps.

00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:23.699
He allowed small steps to unfold in his life, surrendered to those small steps and they became a reality.

00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.179
They became big things.

00:43:25.179 --> 00:43:31.530
It became really, he built, a software company that all the medical records now use across the United States and in the world.

00:43:31.530 --> 00:43:37.239
I mean, he's like a billionaire built like this huge thing, but he started very humbly living.

00:43:38.065 --> 00:44:08.429
Out in Florida and on like a hundred acres or something like that he talks about how He bought the land and the land just kind of came to him and just unfolded the story when I was reading this book I thought oh my god, what if I just allowed my life to unfold and surrender and stop trying to control And when I started doing that, amazing things started happening in my life and I started to see things I didn't see before.

00:44:08.670 --> 00:44:13.349
And I started to have opportunities come my way that I might have otherwise missed.

00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:19.860
So I take this perspective now where I stopped trying to control those things.

00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:28.010
I surrendered to them and the, the other two books that I mentioned, he talks about allowing those.

00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:37.579
Negative experiences are those things that you're holding onto in life that, you know, you need to, through a series of meditations, let those things go.

00:44:38.900 --> 00:44:45.190
And what I came to learn, and actually it's kind of woven throughout my book, I held on to those past regrets.

00:44:45.190 --> 00:44:47.119
I held on to those limiting beliefs.

00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:55.829
I held on to all those bad things that happened to me, but as I pressed into meditation, as I pressed into self development.

00:44:56.465 --> 00:44:59.574
I allowed myself to let go of those negative events.

00:44:59.574 --> 00:45:02.175
So I don't even hold on to past stuff anymore.

00:45:02.494 --> 00:45:07.864
It's been quite an amazing process to just kind of relax and release.

00:45:07.934 --> 00:45:10.655
Something bad happens and it's not denial.

00:45:12.155 --> 00:45:16.625
It sounds almost like denial, you know, it's like, Oh, that thing, we're all going to be happy.

00:45:16.635 --> 00:45:17.875
And that thing just happened to me.

00:45:17.875 --> 00:45:19.885
And I'm just, I'm just going to deny that it happened.

00:45:20.155 --> 00:45:38.494
It's not that it's more of an awareness and acceptance, allowing yourself if you need to grieve, but it's also this visualization and meditation almost of allowing that energy to pass through your heart and to come out and be released through your body.

00:45:38.914 --> 00:45:39.235
Yeah.

00:45:39.684 --> 00:45:43.054
so, yeah, that's, I've come to learn that as I pressed into it more.

00:45:43.224 --> 00:45:47.614
I just think it's fascinating, but it was very life changing for me, very profound.

00:45:48.045 --> 00:45:49.155
So I highly recommend it.

00:45:49.215 --> 00:45:49.554
The Surrender Experiment.

00:45:49.554 --> 00:45:50.644
I'll have to do it in that order.

00:45:50.644 --> 00:45:54.275
I've only read The Untethered Soul, and that's how I knew him, but, that was an amazing book.

00:45:54.434 --> 00:45:58.664
The Surrender Experiment makes The Untethered Soul, more meaningful.

00:45:58.954 --> 00:46:02.755
At least that's how I perceived it as I read them in that order.

00:46:02.954 --> 00:46:03.355
Okay.

00:46:03.355 --> 00:46:03.554
Yeah.

00:46:03.605 --> 00:46:04.244
I'll have to do that.

00:46:05.815 --> 00:46:11.784
Well, Sue, we are at that point where we should go over our world famous now Wayfinder 4.

00:46:11.784 --> 00:46:12.824
Oh, world famous.

00:46:12.844 --> 00:46:13.804
Congratulations.

00:46:13.804 --> 00:46:14.105
Yeah.

00:46:14.105 --> 00:46:15.005
I'm excited.

00:46:15.215 --> 00:46:16.074
I don't know what they are.

00:46:16.074 --> 00:46:16.675
Bring them on.

00:46:17.034 --> 00:46:17.514
All right.

00:46:17.525 --> 00:46:21.534
So the first one is, what is a hack that you use?

00:46:22.005 --> 00:46:25.114
This could just something you use every day to kind of cheat life with.

00:46:25.114 --> 00:46:26.295
What's a hack that I use?

00:46:26.324 --> 00:46:33.025
Maybe, could be an app, a routine, a habit, something you use to make your life easier to kind of cheat life with.

00:46:33.704 --> 00:46:35.585
Cheat life with, wow.

00:46:35.684 --> 00:46:37.505
I've actually mentioned quite a few already.

00:46:37.684 --> 00:46:38.284
Probably.

00:46:38.295 --> 00:46:43.675
I repeat to myself in the midst of really challenging things that obstacles make me stronger.

00:46:44.860 --> 00:46:45.400
That's it.

00:46:45.510 --> 00:46:49.400
Obstacles make me stronger and to be the best version of myself every day.

00:46:50.329 --> 00:46:52.420
So that's kind of a mental life hack.

00:46:52.460 --> 00:47:00.190
I think a physical life hack is every morning I wake up and I drink 24 ounces of water and I go right into meditation.

00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:14.530
and every morning, actually before I drink the water, the first thing I do is I put a smile on my face and I say, I set the intention to have the best day ever that's kind of my mental life hack.

00:47:15.074 --> 00:47:15.155
Excellent.

00:47:16.304 --> 00:47:17.784
What about, a favorite?

00:47:18.085 --> 00:47:21.295
This could be a book, movie, routine, you know.

00:47:22.045 --> 00:47:23.614
Something that's a favorite.

00:47:24.804 --> 00:47:24.824
Wow.

00:47:24.835 --> 00:47:25.744
I know you love books.

00:47:26.804 --> 00:47:27.775
I do love books.

00:47:27.775 --> 00:47:29.394
I have read quite a few books.

00:47:29.425 --> 00:47:30.934
and I love interviewing authors.

00:47:31.315 --> 00:47:35.414
But a favorite, you mean like a favorite thing that, a favorite anything?

00:47:40.105 --> 00:47:40.835
Favorite.

00:47:42.099 --> 00:47:50.010
You know what, the current favorite, so I've probably changed in my lifetime, but the current favorite is where I live right across the street.

00:47:52.244 --> 00:47:55.715
It's a cemetery and I love walking the cemetery.

00:47:56.025 --> 00:47:57.025
that's my new favorite.

00:47:57.025 --> 00:48:07.605
That is my go to when I need to contemplate and think, and a lot of deep thinking is done in walking and running.

00:48:07.605 --> 00:48:15.474
So I don't get to run as much cause I commute a lot nowadays, but, I try and run on the weekends, when I can, I get out and walk.

00:48:16.065 --> 00:48:16.994
So That's my thing.

00:48:17.974 --> 00:48:18.994
Yeah, you know what's interesting?

00:48:19.054 --> 00:48:20.715
I don't know what it is about cemeteries.

00:48:20.715 --> 00:48:24.534
I wasn't really one to go to any, you know, for, for any reason.

00:48:25.525 --> 00:48:28.434
but now there's one, you know, Okay.

00:48:29.085 --> 00:48:29.844
No, please do.

00:48:31.105 --> 00:48:43.114
I was, I was going to say what's fascinating about cemeteries is that when you start walking through it, I think, well, if you're a naturally curious person like you and I, Luis, we're naturally curious.

00:48:43.505 --> 00:48:49.445
So as I walk through a cemetery, it's very sobering because you realize that life is fleeting.

00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:50.239
Yeah.

00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:55.440
And then as I continue to walk, I reflect on my own life and I reflect on where I'm going.

00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:56.800
I reflect on what I do.

00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.699
Sometimes I reflect on the day, you know, what was the day like?

00:49:00.710 --> 00:49:05.780
And then you start looking at the markers and the cemetery across the street is pretty old.

00:49:05.789 --> 00:49:09.309
So there are people buried there from the 1800s, mid 1800s.

00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:19.110
Since then, I mean, you know, like their life was, I don't know, 1804 to 1836 or 1852, something like that.

00:49:19.110 --> 00:49:24.679
And I thought, oh my God, you know, 1852, yeah, you're almost 200 years you've been in the ground.

00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.199
And then you start thinking about what was their life like and everything.

00:49:27.250 --> 00:49:29.110
it's very sobering.

00:49:29.289 --> 00:49:29.500
Yeah.

00:49:29.750 --> 00:49:37.289
And reflective as you go through it and you start thinking about the people that were there and then you reflect on your own life as well.

00:49:37.309 --> 00:49:44.650
So cemetery walking, if you're curious and you like to ask yourself those type of questions, it's kind of interesting to do so.

00:49:44.670 --> 00:49:45.329
No, I love it.

00:49:45.329 --> 00:50:02.900
That's why I like it a lot I was gonna say where I live now We bought this house about three years ago and I started running through a cemetery to get to a trail But and I find that to be one of my favorite things to do now I don't know why you know until you said that but I think it has a lot to do with what you said Yeah, how about a piece of advice for your younger self?

00:50:05.054 --> 00:50:10.505
Oh my god, piece of advice for my younger self, read my book, Don't Live Life in Regret.

00:50:10.505 --> 00:50:14.204
The, the piece of advice would be go with your gut, really.

00:50:14.474 --> 00:50:18.855
That's, that's what that is, you know, don't, don't live life with regret.

00:50:19.434 --> 00:50:26.304
Go with your gut and take risks because the worst case scenario never really happens anyway.

00:50:26.949 --> 00:50:28.900
Yeah, love it.

00:50:29.510 --> 00:50:31.360
No, you've given us quite a bit already.

00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:31.900
The other one.

00:50:31.949 --> 00:50:33.710
Guest choice here on this last one.

00:50:34.170 --> 00:50:42.289
You can choose either a big opportunity or a limiting belief What do you mean?

00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:44.119
I mean talk about it.

00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:45.980
What would be a big opportunity for me?

00:50:46.289 --> 00:50:52.690
Yeah for you or just like you see out there in the world Same goes for limiting belief Pick one or the other.

00:50:54.010 --> 00:50:54.840
Oh, wow.

00:50:55.179 --> 00:50:56.090
Pick one or the other.

00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:13.610
I would go with limiting belief for 200 Let me go with the limiting belief out there The limiting belief that I see that I would tell people not to believe, I think is that, is that what you're kind of looking for?

00:51:13.610 --> 00:51:15.949
A limiting belief is you think you can't do it.

00:51:16.510 --> 00:51:18.659
If you think you can't do it, you can.

00:51:20.789 --> 00:51:24.250
So if you think you can't do it, then it means you can.

00:51:24.530 --> 00:51:25.190
And that would be the great limit.

00:51:25.230 --> 00:51:27.000
can't do it, you can.

00:51:28.050 --> 00:51:28.260
Yeah.

00:51:28.269 --> 00:51:28.800
You can.

00:51:29.230 --> 00:51:29.440
Yeah.

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:29.969
You can.

00:51:29.989 --> 00:51:34.650
If you think it's not possible, it is if you really want something that bad.

00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:41.335
and I think that goes along with who you surround yourself with and what you're telling yourself.

00:51:42.315 --> 00:51:45.315
And I want a lot of really cool things in life.

00:51:45.344 --> 00:51:56.675
And I found this quote in a book and I can't remember where it was, but the quote is wanting is about abundance and creation and requires no justification.

00:51:58.724 --> 00:52:01.385
Wanting is about wanting, what do you want?

00:52:01.485 --> 00:52:09.204
Wanting is about abundance and creation and requires no justification.

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So if you want something in life, It's about creating that thing for yourself, doing it in abundance.

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And you don't have to care, like don't care what anybody else thinks.

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You don't have to justify why it is you want to do what you want to do.

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And the reason why that quote, I love it so much is because I lived a lot of my life having to justify why I would do what I would do.

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When you let go of the justification.

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And you just say, I want that thing and it's about abundance and creation, then I just go do it.

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Right.

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You just, you just go do that now.

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You can add all the qualifiers to it if you want, but when there's something that's deep in your soul to go and that you really want to do, just go for it.

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You know, you want that thing, do what you need to do to acquire that.

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It's about abundance and creation.

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And how often do we listen to outside voices that tell us we shouldn't be that thing?

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You know, Oh, you can't do that.

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Why do you want to do that?

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Yeah.

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So I love that.

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That's my limiting belief.

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Uh, but you turned it around right away.

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I mean, I love how right in the belief you explained it.

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You can, right.

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That's amazing.

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And so it comes out of experience.

00:53:34.454 --> 00:53:34.744
yeah.

00:53:35.695 --> 00:53:40.445
So Susan, if our guests want to know a little bit more about you, where can they find you?

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You can go to the podcast.

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Big step, small steps, big wins.

00:53:43.550 --> 00:53:44.780
Yeah, the podcast.

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small steps, big wins podcast.

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I have a website, Sue Saller, S U E S A L L E R.

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com.

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you can drop me an email, at my email is sue at Sue Saller.

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com.

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I'm on Facebook, but not a whole lot.

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You can reach out to me on LinkedIn.

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Forget what the LinkedIn is.

00:54:04.869 --> 00:54:06.730
I think it's Susan Saller.

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I mean, there's really only one or two of us and, none of them look like me.

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So you should be able to find me pretty easily.

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but yeah, you can reach out to me that way.

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And of course my book is out.

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Well, we'll be out by the time of this recording, small steps, big wins, uh, and it'll be available on Amazon in both a paperback and ebook form.

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Excellent.

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Well, Susan, this has been a real joy.

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I think we've, we've kind of grown up together a little bit in the last couple of years and, but we hadn't been able to talk much in a while.

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Being able to catch up here.

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Now.

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I'm blown away.

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You are such a powerhouse now.

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You are such a bad You when I first met you to where you are now is just incredible and you're like a master manifester And in a real badass and I appreciate having you here Thanks.

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I appreciate it That's a whole other podcast you know, how we all emerge and how we find ourselves.

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And yeah, it's, and, and I think I would just leave everybody with, and first of all, thank you so much for having me.

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I've thoroughly enjoys our conversation.

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And if I want to leave, I really would like to leave everybody with the impression that, you know, you can change regardless of where you are.

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It has nothing to do with your age.

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It has nothing to do with your status.

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If you want to change, you can.

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I'm 52.

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And I radically changed my life last year and it's not over yet.

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It's just getting started.

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I love that.

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Thank you, Susan.

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