Mastering Marriedpreneurship and Personal Growth with Meredith & Craig Bennett

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It's a research backed principle that couples who have a shared common vision, something that they're working towards, a North Star that they're both building towards together, they are more likely to be successful in their marriage.

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So it's really just about aligning both people in the marriage about what is the end goal?

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What is it that we want in life?

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Welcome to The Wayfinder Show with Luis Hernandez, where guests discuss the why and how of making changes that led them down a more authentic path or allow them to level up in some area of their life.

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Our goal is to dig deep and provide not only knowledge, but actionable advice to help you get from where you are to where you want to be.

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Come join us and find the way to your dream life.

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Welcome back to the wayfinder show.

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I'm your host, Louie Hernandez.

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And today we have a really special treat for you.

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We have here today, Craig and Meredith Bennett.

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Craig and Meredith are the hosts of the podcast called The Road of Life.

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they left a 9 to 5 corporate grind so they can become full time entrepreneurs.

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And as life partners and business partners and best friends, they work together to become the best version of themselves while living their dream life and helping others do the same.

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I thought this was a fascinating topic because my wife and I are both entrepreneurs.

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We pretty much have always been our adult lives and we've tried to do things together and now we're starting to talk about doing something together again.

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But the truth is it's never really worked out.

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But you guys seem to do it and coach others on how to do it and all that.

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So I'm kind of hoping, you know, this will be like a free coaching call for me in exchange for being on the wayfinder show.

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So thanks for being here.

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Yeah.

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let's just start with a really easy one right off the top.

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Like what is the cheat code for life?

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I think the cheat code for life is.

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Having an exponential relationship.

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It's having that relationship that, you know, you have that person in your corner, whenever, you know, the proverbial.

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Stuff hits the fan.

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We want to know that we have that person that's there no matter what when our self doubt enters us when we're, you know, questioning everything there is in life.

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We're not questioning this relationship.

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We know we have that solid foundation right there with us.

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And then it doesn't require all of your time, attention and resources to be constantly trying to repair or walk on eggshells and arguing like, You're not spending all of your mental energy and time dealing with that.

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So it frees you up to level up every other area of your life.

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Oh, gosh, I love that.

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I never thought of it as a cheat code, but as you're saying that i'm like, yeah, that's awesome right because I think a lot of times we do walk on eggshells with our relationships We're trying to make sure the other person doesn't feel bad take it the wrong way but when we have somebody we can just Say whatever we feel transparent and know that the other person is not going to take it the wrong way, right?

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We get past all that and we just get into helping each other out, right?

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Exactly.

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That's actually one of our foundational pieces is that we always assume positive intent.

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We always give each other the benefit of the doubt.

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if there's two ways to interpret something he says, I do my very best to assume he meant it in the best way and give him the benefit of the doubt.

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If I can't see that, then I just get curious and ask questions instead of assuming negative intent.

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And doubling up on that, that, cheat code for life is that when you have that dialed in, like you've now got two people putting all their time and energy towards.

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The other parts, like building your dream life, building your business, building, you know, whatever it is that you want to attack in life.

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You've got now two people who are fully focused on just building that.

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And they're not worried about, you know, this relationship and having to repair or work on that.

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So yeah, really cool.

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I love that.

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Well, tell us a little bit more about you all.

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so how did you go?

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I understand you had a big corporate life.

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prior to this and you both just decided to quit and start working together.

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Is that right and build a business

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Yeah, we worked for the same company.

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that's how we met originally We worked for a large multinational energy company.

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So, we worked together and the company Eventually was going through some transitions and they decided to close the office.

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At the time we were also feeling like we had more to offer than the nine to five, our careers were great, but it felt like we had something else inside of us to contribute to the world.

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We weren't fully fulfilled in what we were doing.

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when they made the announcement they were closing our office and moving, we all still had jobs if we wanted them, we wanted to move across the country, we could, but we took that opportunity to pause.

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And is this like a giant flashing exit sign on the highway that this is your opportunity to do something different.

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And it was an incredibly stressful time because, you know, we didn't know what we were going to do.

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We didn't have a plan in place cause it, you know, came on us quickly and we were very planful people.

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But when this opportunity came up, we.

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Trusted our gut and jumped out of the airplane.

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And to her point, we are planners, but that has gone completely out the window as we've embarked on this entrepreneurial journey.

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Like it's, you can't really plan too far in advance.

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It's one step at a time kind of thing.

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But at that time it was really just.

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it was almost like the universe was speaking to us.

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It's like, you're not fulfilled.

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Here's an opportunity.

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And, you know, looking back now, as we've gone on this entrepreneurial journey over the last few years, we realize now that the universe is always working in our favor And that was just one of those moments in time where it was like, It felt like a bad thing in the moment.

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Like, your job is at risk.

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You may have to move across the country, but if you take a second and actually look at that for what it was, it was one of the greatest gifts we've ever been given.

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In fact, an example within this, within this part.

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When this was all happening so obviously it was a little bit stressful and then my dad got cancer and we thought it was going to be his last Christmas so we went home to spend Christmas with my dad and then we finally had another cancer and you know it was a very a very emotional time.

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And then we decided with that, that added perspective of we want to be closer to our family.

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Our parents aren't getting any younger.

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Craig's grandmother is still alive.

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And we want to spend as much time with family as we can.

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We don't want to move to the other side of the country.

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So that really helped us make that decision.

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And then almost as soon as we made that decision, my dad's health did a 180.

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My dad is Healthy as a horse.

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Both cancers are gone.

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it was like, you didn't see it in the moment, but looking back, the universe so worked in our favor to give us what we needed, when we needed it to make that decision.

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Did you guys meet at that company?

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You did.

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you were both already working there.

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You married.

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you got married before, like during what?

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So you, okay.

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So you had intermarital affairs in the corporate office.

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Got it.

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Love it.

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Yes.

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It's a

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very popular thing to do at our company.

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Yeah.

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A

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lot of companies.

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We met, we both worked there for a couple of years and then eventually I took a new job and it moved me to a different floor in a big office tower, Downtown.

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And I happened to be on the same floor as Meredith.

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Now we were, you know, our offices were down the hall from each other.

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Bumped into each other in the coffee room one day and went to a retirement party for a couple of colleagues that we both knew.

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And that's how we actually met was at a work event outside of work where we first connected.

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So I find that interesting because that means that you guys have, already had an identity, that was already with the company.

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that.

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Probably made it a lot harder, right?

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Like your whole connection, everything came through there.

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Yeah, actually it was incredibly, that was an incredibly difficult part of this whole transition from the corporate life to the entrepreneurial life that we didn't see coming.

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I didn't realize, I don't think either of us realized how much our identities individually were tied to our corporate careers and how we contributed in that way so that once we were no longer in that corporate environment and having that corporate experience.

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It took us a while to find our groove and find, like, my identity was so tied to being a high performer and, you know, my exceptional performance ratings, there was a lot of my identity tied into that corporate experience so that when that was gone, that was tough.

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Like, I had a journey ahead of me for sure.

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Sure.

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Yeah, growing up with my parents, it was like I was raised to believe that you go to school, you get good grades, you graduate, you go to school again, you get more good grades, and then you go and get a corporate job and you climb the ladder and that's success, right?

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When this decision was, presented to us and having to consider life after the corporate world and what that meant, and not only to me and my identity, but also what I was brought up, how would my family think the people closest to me, who were proud

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of you for where you were and what you were doing?

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Yeah,

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there was a lot of, angst within me?

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Am I making the right decision?

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Is this the right path for me?

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It always felt right.

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In my gut my intuition But there was always that thing in the back of my mind that was saying yeah But that's not how you were raised like it was you were supposed to be on this path And everyone was really was proud of you being on that path.

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Are you sure you want to veer off that path?

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There was always kind of that little niggling.

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So yeah, there was a huge identity component to this whole decision for sure

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Yeah, and I think I asked this and you said yes, right you so you got married while you were there together Okay.

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so already you can share while you're in there how you really feel about the company.

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And when it came time to make that decision.

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Good.

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Tell me about the business now that you guys decided to go into together.

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Cause that's another interesting piece.

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you went into it right away together as a couple to start a business.

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we jumped right in.

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So like we said, we didn't know what we were going to do when we decided to leave the corporate life behind.

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We just knew that it felt right.

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The first thing we thought we would do because it seems like the thing to do was to start a real estate investing business.

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We wanted to get into real estate and, you know, everybody makes money in real estate.

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So let's get into real estate to replace corporate incomes.

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And so we jumped into a business that.

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No, we were a little blinded, I think, by the altruistic nature of the business we were trying to start and how we could help people in that business.

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And didn't do all the homework we could have done in terms of how do the numbers actually work.

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But we jumped in, we got a business coach, we got a website, all the marketing, you know, we did all the things.

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And we realized within a few weeks that we were absolutely freaking miserable in this business.

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Yeah.

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Hating

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it.

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We, yeah, we just didn't do the homework on.

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We knew we wanted to do something for ourselves, work for ourselves and build freedom in the life that we really truly wanted.

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But we didn't actually know at the end of the day, what that was.

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We didn't have the goal, like the end goal in mind.

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We didn't really know what that vision of our dream life was.

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And some of the things that we wanted to do on our way to getting there.

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And so we just, yeah, jumped into this real estate business because that's where millionaires make their money.

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And we can, you know, when we create that amount of wealth, then we can have such a large impact on the world and help others in it.

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It was just kind of a naive way of doing this, right?

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And so it took us a minute.

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We realized that, this is not for us.

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And that's when we took a step back and we did the homework to realize what is it that we want?

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What's going to make us happy?

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What do we want our life to feel like?

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And what is it that we're ultimately trying to achieve?

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And so we took a few months and really just hammered that.

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The back of the

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year, really.

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Yeah, hammered our mindset, understanding, you know, we knew that we had a lot of limiting beliefs and a lot of stereotypes.

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Stuff within us that was going to hold us back from achieving that, that end goal that we really truly envisioned for ourselves.

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So we really did the work then at that point to really start to focus on what that was for us.

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We had a lot of success in our corporate career without having to unpack any of those limiting beliefs.

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we could coast along there pretty good and have some pretty good success.

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It wasn't until we became entrepreneurs that we realized we had to pop the hood and actually look inside.

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One of the huge benefits of entrepreneurship is that you get to, on this journey to your success, actually become the best version of you.

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In fact, it's the only way to get there.

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So, you know, we started this business that was in no way aligned with the life we wanted to live.

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And it was actually making us miserable, not just ourselves, but it was impacting our relationship.

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And so that's when he said, we need to have a change.

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And so we, that's when we learned that we were both miserable.

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We both traded in our big corporate paychecks for something that we hated even more.

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That didn't pay us anything at this point.

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And that's when we, you know, pump the brakes and started our personal development journey.

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With no plan for what our next business would be.

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That evolved later.

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Oh gosh.

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I love that.

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And kudos to you guys for recognizing that early on, one of the things that people don't realize too is that real estate can be a place where you go make a whole lot of money.

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It's also a great place to lose a lot of money, right.

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But, yeah, but let's talk more about your journey though.

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I'm hearing all of the, the, the lingo.

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I'm suspecting we have a very similar, personal development path, right?

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so what did that look like?

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What was the person before you even get into your business?

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What, I mean, was there a book, was there a training?

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Was there something you went and sought out that really helped you?

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And

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there's so much like we we went hard at the personal growth when we made this decision to leave that business that was making us miserable.

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we went to personal growth, conferences, events, we read books, we listened to podcasts, There was an event in particular that made us realize the level of limiting beliefs that we held within ourselves.

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we still hadn't quite made the transition out of real estate.

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We weren't sure, whether real estate was going to be a part of our future, And so this was actually supposed to be a real estate conference that we went to, and it was in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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And we kept, we get to this event and they keep saying, it's just your typical real estate conference.

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And they, they had this like joking.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like it was almost like a

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regular run of the mill real estate conference, nothing to see here.

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And we weren't sure what that meant, but then we realized that it was really more about personal growth.

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And so we did some, Activities around identifying limiting beliefs and then, you know, it's almost like this, ritual where you kind of break an arrow with your neck, like it was, you write your limiting belief on the arrow and then you put the arrow.

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And we did one where you break a board with your hand.

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It's scary, yeah.

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And you break and you walk into the air and it shatters your limiting, and it's this representation of you moving past this limiting belief.

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were some of those limiting beliefs at the time?

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mine was, I'm not good enough.

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I'm not smart enough.

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I'm not good.

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I'm a fill in the blank.

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Enough.

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I'm not enough.

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And similar, like, just a sense of unworthiness.

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am I really cut out for this?

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we've done the big one 80 in our life.

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Am I actually capable of pulling?

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who am I?

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I don't know anything about entrepreneurship.

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what business do I have in doing this kind of thing?

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So that was a big limiting belief for both of us.

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Kind of similar, actually, our upbringings are quite similar.

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So it makes sense that our limiting beliefs were a little bit similar as well.

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And then there was another event too, that came shortly after this one.

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That was a game changer for me, especially that helped.

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Me define my new identity so that I was struggling with my identity coming out of the corporate world and being an entrepreneur and struggling with my self worth and not knowing what I was going to do.

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And, you know, you're at these events with other entrepreneurs who seem to have it all figured out.

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Obviously you're the only one who doesn't have it all figured out from where you're sitting.

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And then at this particular event, a couple of the speakers were talking about, writing down the five identities that you want.

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I am a coach.

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I'm a speaker.

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What are the things in the present tense?

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What are the identities you want to hold, and then what are ten attributes, ten truths about you, and I struggled to write those down, but I eventually did sort of define the identity that I wanted to hold as future me, and I wrote those statements out, I still write them out every single day in my journal, like I'm a very structured journaler, I write that stuff out every day to remind myself of who it is I want to be, and I'm actively becoming that person because I'm The beauty of writing that stuff down every day is it keeps it front of mind for me.

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And so that in the run of a day, you know, when you're faced with a decision or you're taking action, which you do a million times a day, that stuff, the person you want to be is front of mind.

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So that when you make that decision, you make it in accordance with that vision of you, that version of you that you want to be.

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So it's like you give yourself, I'm giving myself a check mark in the proof column that I actually am becoming that version of me.

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And that's really helped me define who I wanted to be so that I could then do the work to become that

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person.

00:17:39.413 --> 00:17:58.482
And those are two like great strategies that we see over and over when we're trying to create a new identity for ourselves right is, first of all, we had that imposter syndrome like you said, but we start to visualize what that person could be and that's hard at first right and then we affirm it like you were writing it down or you can say it to yourself all the time over and over.

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You just.

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Say those until you believe it till you actually see it.

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Right.

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And now you

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believe it more when you actually see that, like the actions that you're taking, like, yeah, I made a decision the way that she would, the way that the person I want to be would make it.

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So then you start to believe with every action you take, that's aligned to that person.

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The belief becomes stronger and stronger and stronger.

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It's like, it's not just the writing.

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It's the actual actions.

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I would say that principle to be do have.

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was one of the biggest game changers for our mindset in that, you know, we've always been more of like, Oh, I'll do that.

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Or I'll be that when I have this, but it's the opposite, right?

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It's actually, you have to become the person.

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So that thing that you want that end goal, it's really about who has that, what type of person are they?

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what attributes does that person have?

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And

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then you figure out how to make sure that you become that person so that you can have that business or that dream life or whatever it is that you're.

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trying to achieve.

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That was a huge mindset shift.

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That was a game changer for me.

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Which was, I think, reinforced by the book Atomic Habits and The Slight Edge.

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Excellent.

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I just finished The Slight Edge again, actually.

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I love it.

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Well, you guys know that one of the ones I read every year is The Go Giver.

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Yeah.

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Actually, the place where I discovered The Slight Edge was in a sales training for real estate, where, you know, they give you The Go Giver when you first walk into the training.

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And I didn't know that.

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I just walk in and I had already read it and now I realize like the language, in there and the principles were so aligned that of course it's the same thing, but you go and then they give you this other book list.

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And the first one on that new book list is the slight edge and then atomic habits isn't far behind there.

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And that just became a reading list for like me and my team for a while.

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So these are great ones, but let's go back to your business though.

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First of all, when you were designing a business, you realize, real estate wasn't it.

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You're going to do something different.

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did you know you want to do a business together?

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Yes.

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So you were committed to each other for a business already too.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Because that's a big deal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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100%.

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Yeah.

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We didn't even, I don't think anything we really talked about not doing it together.

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It was

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Yeah.

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It never really was discussed.

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I think the assumption was that we're going to leave our corporate jobs and we're just going to figure it out.

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We're going to go do a business.

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We're going to figure out a business together.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I guess let's talk about what that business is and how did you come up with it?

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Like why that?

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Yeah, it was on this journey of going to these different events networking and meeting different individuals and there was a person we ran into he's a coach of a personal development company.

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And, you know, he was talking to us about our journey and what we had been doing in our lives up till now and he said, you know, you guys have this press like this, there's this something about you, you should think about coaching.

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And so we took that on board and thought about that for a while and that's ultimately, was the seed that was planted for us to then, go to these events we're seeing and talking to more people in the personal growth space and coaches and it just started to land for us.

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It felt like, yeah, you know what, this actually is something that.

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Feels right.

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And looking back, there's been little hints of that throughout my life.

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Like I'm big into sports.

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I've played sports all my life.

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I've had coaches throughout my life and I've coached, girls, basketball teams.

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And I was even a mentor in the big brother, big sisters.

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So it was a natural fit.

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So

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it was actually interesting when we both looked back, how many times in our lives we fell into coaching roles that It sort of again, like the dots only connect when you look back like, yeah, I've actually done this in my corporate life.

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I was a personal trainer.

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But when you look back, there was so many instances of coaching.

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And then throughout all these events and meeting these people, we had so many people asking us like, you know, you two seem to have something special in your relationship.

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How, what do you do?

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How do you do this?

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How do you work so closely together?

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Like what?

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So everywhere we went, we had people.

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Asking us stuff.

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Yeah.

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I think they noticed that we were able to spend an inordinate amount of time together.

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You know, we spend a lot of time in our personal lives, building our relationship, but then also, okay, now you're also building businesses together.

00:22:17.762 --> 00:22:23.083
So you're also working together quite closely and you're traveling and doing all these events together.

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And that's really cool.

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I can't get my husband or I can't get my wife to come to these events with me.

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How do you guys have this level of a relationship?

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How are you this close?

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Help me understand it.

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And.

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So then it started in the back of our mind that, okay, maybe there's something special here about our relationship and we can help people connect on that level.

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And then at one of these events, we were asked to speak about relationships.

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And so we did.

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And that is actually what really solidified that it's relationship, it's marriage and coaching that's our business.

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That's our superpower.

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That's how we're going to help people And that it's from there that we've now built out, you know a coaching business So yeah, that was kind of how we got there

00:23:03.073 --> 00:23:08.633
Wow, that's really inspirational So how about let's look at the business then?

00:23:08.633 --> 00:23:10.242
What what is the a lot of coaches?

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They have a model a framework to go around for what they coach on and do you all have that Cause I'm going to ask you to just give it away.

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Yeah.

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It's called an exponential relationship framework and it's got basically four big pillars.

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Four commitments.

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Four commitments.

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And the first one is you have to commit to yourself.

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You have to commit to self love and your own worthiness.

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you can only accept love to the amount that, you can give and receive love.

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Right?

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So like, whatever you, You can only, you can only, you can

00:23:43.563 --> 00:23:45.542
only receive love to the amount that you love

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yourself.

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So you

00:23:46.542 --> 00:23:53.083
need to love yourself first to be able to be open, to receive love and to be able to give love to somebody else.

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So the first commitment is really the commitment to yourself, to love yourself, to believe in yourself, to believe that you're enough in your own self worth.

00:24:00.863 --> 00:24:04.202
And there's a lot of work that goes into that for sure.

00:24:04.353 --> 00:24:05.873
But that's the first commitment.

00:24:06.242 --> 00:24:27.923
the second commitment Is the one that most people would think about it's the commitment to the relationship and that's really the getting into the strategies, you know, that we mentioned way at the beginning of the episode around assuming positive intent, giving the benefit of the doubt, things like that, building trust, intimacy, communication through vulnerability and different exercises like that.

00:24:27.932 --> 00:24:33.913
So it's really building connection, and communication through the lens of.

00:24:34.248 --> 00:24:36.218
The mindset you approach your relationship with.

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Yeah.

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And so once you have that foundation of that self love and then you, build on top of that, the relationship, then we need to start looking at injecting fun, joy, adventure, because like, what is the point of all of this, if we're not having fun in our relationship, if it stops becoming fun, we stop showing up and we stop doing the things.

00:24:57.192 --> 00:25:01.272
That are necessary to really build that relationship and take it to the next level.

00:25:01.442 --> 00:25:05.202
That's when you see the breakdown in communication, in trust, in intimacy.

00:25:05.482 --> 00:25:10.563
Those things all follow the departure of fun in your relationship.

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And most of us don't think because life is busy.

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Life is stressful.

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There's kids, there's jobs.

00:25:15.803 --> 00:25:27.962
It requires a lot of stuff and so prioritizing fun sometimes falls by the wayside, but fun is actually the foundation upon which we build a strong relationship.

00:25:28.093 --> 00:25:28.492
It's critical.

00:25:29.103 --> 00:25:36.182
So how does that, like, do you, I think sometimes we don't, we start to take that part for granted a lot in our relationship, right?

00:25:36.232 --> 00:25:43.012
We just, we, you know, is there in a way to be intentional about it that, you know, keeps it top of mind?

00:25:43.012 --> 00:25:43.133
Right.

00:25:43.508 --> 00:25:44.137
Yeah, we do.

00:25:44.147 --> 00:25:45.748
We do it a few different ways, actually.

00:25:45.748 --> 00:25:47.458
we have kind of three different approaches to it.

00:25:47.788 --> 00:25:53.067
the first one is to find ways to inject fun into the mundane stuff in life.

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Cause life is 99 percent mundane and, you know, 1 percent vacations and date nights and fun, fun stuff that you can see as fun.

00:26:00.478 --> 00:26:01.518
And that's an important part.

00:26:01.518 --> 00:26:03.897
That's another one to focus on, but life is 99%.

00:26:05.133 --> 00:26:08.682
Folding laundry, making dinner, the daily things we have to do.

00:26:08.913 --> 00:26:15.512
And so we make an effort to inject fun into that day to day mundane ness.

00:26:15.843 --> 00:26:20.923
And we do that by, you know, neither of us like cooking, so we do it together.

00:26:20.923 --> 00:26:25.923
We turn on some music, we, you know, make a mess and we bump into each other and we'd have a little dance in the kitchen.

00:26:26.288 --> 00:26:29.258
And we try to make that part fun because we both don't like it.

00:26:29.857 --> 00:26:37.968
another thing we do that's fun, fun and weird is he created a cardboard penis a few years ago.

00:26:38.857 --> 00:26:45.478
For the backstory, for the backstory, we, you know, it was during COVID and we had masks shipped to us.

00:26:45.647 --> 00:26:54.867
I just made a modification and created this thing and now we hide that thing back and forth for the other person to find and it's just a weird game that makes us laugh when it you know you're.

00:26:55.563 --> 00:27:08.373
Taking out a shirt out of the closet to put it on and out comes this falls this cardboard penis Gotcha, and now you have to hide it on the other person you don't want to get caught with it You don't want to be caught hiding and it's just yeah, it's this little that we play that's just become fun

00:27:08.502 --> 00:27:08.782
Yeah,

00:27:08.843 --> 00:27:22.692
and then when you don't see them find it with your eyeballs But then you see them walking out of the room with the shirt on that, you know, you hit it in You're you give them a little wink like Like, gotcha, and then you know that it's waiting for you somewhere in the house.

00:27:22.712 --> 00:27:23.002
Yeah.

00:27:23.053 --> 00:27:24.782
With a cupboard or a drawer or something.

00:27:24.813 --> 00:27:29.992
So, just weird little things that we can find to inject some, some humor in, in life.

00:27:30.002 --> 00:27:38.252
Something else he does is, he will sometimes, like, in stealth mode, I don't know he's doing it, he'll write down in the notes on his phone.

00:27:38.803 --> 00:27:41.573
stuff that I say that he takes completely out of context.

00:27:41.573 --> 00:27:54.337
He doesn't record any context with it at all and he'll just record it and I have no idea he's done it and then like, I don't know, a month later he'll be like, he calls them McKay isms because that's my last name, McKay, and so he calls them McKay isms.

00:27:54.337 --> 00:27:55.932
He's like, you want to hear the last few McKay isms?

00:27:55.932 --> 00:28:07.682
And he'll read me things that I have said with absolutely zero context but I can't remember why I said it but they sound ridiculous and We just laugh at the stupid stuff that comes out of my mouth sometimes.

00:28:07.682 --> 00:28:08.613
That's

00:28:08.613 --> 00:28:09.542
funny.

00:28:09.923 --> 00:28:10.643
It's just fun.

00:28:10.692 --> 00:28:11.002
Yeah.

00:28:11.242 --> 00:28:12.782
So we try to reject that.

00:28:14.093 --> 00:28:14.593
I love it.

00:28:14.732 --> 00:28:15.532
That's really fun.

00:28:15.532 --> 00:28:16.363
The fourth pillar.

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Yeah.

00:28:17.272 --> 00:28:20.913
The fourth pillar is basically the commitment to the future.

00:28:20.913 --> 00:28:24.972
So the fourth commitment would be a commitment to the future and it's building a shared common vision.

00:28:25.522 --> 00:28:36.252
And it's a research backed principle that couples who have a shared common vision, something that they're working towards a North star that they're both building towards together.

00:28:37.313 --> 00:28:39.633
They're more likely to be successful in their marriage.

00:28:39.722 --> 00:28:42.432
So it's really just about aligning.

00:28:43.093 --> 00:28:47.343
both people in the marriage about what is the end goal?

00:28:47.353 --> 00:28:49.073
What is it that we want in life?

00:28:49.093 --> 00:28:51.772
What's our dream and aligning that vision?

00:28:52.212 --> 00:29:03.103
And just working towards it and by doing that all the little things that happen that come up day to day that might you know cause a little bit of a an argument or It's just a discomfort in your marriage.

00:29:03.153 --> 00:29:04.163
They fall by the wayside.

00:29:04.163 --> 00:29:11.163
They've become so much less important when you know what you're driving towards that big, shiny North star.

00:29:11.163 --> 00:29:12.452
That's the ultimate goal.

00:29:12.853 --> 00:29:17.123
And it gives you a level of compassion and empathy.

00:29:17.143 --> 00:29:23.222
When you know that the person next to you is on your team, you're striving towards that big goal together.

00:29:23.663 --> 00:29:29.192
And if they make a mistake or something doesn't go your way and, you know, it would have ordinarily set you off course.

00:29:29.623 --> 00:29:33.173
You just have that level of compassion and empathy knowing that they're trying their best.

00:29:33.173 --> 00:29:36.952
They're doing their best We're a team and we're on our way to this, north star.

00:29:37.792 --> 00:29:38.692
So that's the fourth pillar

00:29:38.722 --> 00:29:50.603
yeah, I love that, you know my wife and I I think when we had kids you kind of forget all that it just becomes survival like hey Let's just figure out how to keep these kids alive for 18 years and then Right, but then now we're on the other end of that.

00:29:50.623 --> 00:29:52.803
So like my youngest is 16.

00:29:52.833 --> 00:30:12.653
So we're almost free And, so we're thinking about this, he's going into 10th grade, and we got three years is what we're thinking, and we're starting to, in the last like year or so, we've really, we've gone on more road trips together, and just traveled, and we started to like dream again, and having, and now we're thinking, okay, three years from now, it's just going to be you and me again.

00:30:13.387 --> 00:30:16.208
If all goes well, uh, at which it better, or else I'll kill her.

00:30:16.468 --> 00:30:27.968
But the, uh, the, uh, the, anyway, so we started thinking like, wow, you know, we realized like, we really like not being tied down to a place.

00:30:27.978 --> 00:30:30.857
So we want to try a couple of years of being nomadic.

00:30:31.583 --> 00:30:35.042
And now we're starting to envision what that would be like and where we want to live.

00:30:35.042 --> 00:30:39.323
And we went to Tokyo earlier this year and we were like, Oh, maybe we'll just do a year in Tokyo.

00:30:39.323 --> 00:30:40.163
Check that out.

00:30:40.482 --> 00:30:41.063
And all this stuff.

00:30:41.083 --> 00:30:53.212
and it's becoming like so much fun to dream together again about doing things like that outside of just like what you got to do, you know, in a, it's really motivational and fun.

00:30:53.313 --> 00:30:56.982
I think that's the most, it's weird to say, but I think that's the most fun part of the whole framework.

00:30:57.042 --> 00:31:12.407
You think the fun part is the most fun, but I think the, the future, the building the future, that getting to dream, like that's the work that we had to do that we hadn't done right at the beginning when you opened, when we started that other company, we hadn't done the work of like, what do we want our life to be like?

00:31:12.407 --> 00:31:12.813
fun

00:31:12.813 --> 00:31:14.008
to do that.

00:31:14.107 --> 00:31:14.458
Yeah.

00:31:15.258 --> 00:31:16.938
So what does that look like for you guys?

00:31:16.938 --> 00:31:18.667
is it just to build a business

00:31:18.667 --> 00:31:31.807
Yeah, that was part of it for sure But it's like all areas of your life your business your free time where you want to live the travel that you want to do your health We're very intentional about all the areas of our life.

00:31:31.807 --> 00:31:33.958
And we each did this exercise individually.

00:31:33.958 --> 00:31:40.718
At first, we both went into our separate corners and wrote down all of the things that we wanna do in our life, in all the areas.

00:31:40.958 --> 00:31:41.288
Mm-Hmm,

00:31:41.294 --> 00:31:53.557
And then we got together and we took both visions and we shared what each other wrote, and then we incorporated them into one vision of, our relationship, our dream life vision for our life together.

00:31:54.028 --> 00:31:55.198
And like yours.

00:31:55.587 --> 00:31:57.567
We don't like being tied to one place.

00:31:58.028 --> 00:31:59.248
So we're nomadic.

00:31:59.258 --> 00:32:00.307
We're nomadic too.

00:32:00.317 --> 00:32:00.798
Nice.

00:32:00.807 --> 00:32:00.998
You're

00:32:00.998 --> 00:32:01.867
already nomadic.

00:32:02.817 --> 00:32:03.067
Yeah.

00:32:03.067 --> 00:32:03.248
We move

00:32:03.248 --> 00:32:03.508
around.

00:32:03.508 --> 00:32:03.718
Yeah.

00:32:03.718 --> 00:32:05.357
We, we, we travel quite a bit.

00:32:05.938 --> 00:32:06.077
Our

00:32:06.077 --> 00:32:11.347
home base is where we are right now in Canada where it's where I grew up and it's very close to where he grew up.

00:32:11.698 --> 00:32:13.738
and it's beautiful in the summertime.

00:32:13.877 --> 00:32:19.438
It's absolutely gorgeous in the summertime, but we don't love it in the winter.

00:32:19.738 --> 00:32:26.208
So the last few winters we have spent in either Arizona or Buenos Aires, Argentina.

00:32:26.438 --> 00:32:26.988
Oh, wow.

00:32:27.357 --> 00:32:32.428
And it's the weather in both places is beautiful in the winter here.

00:32:32.428 --> 00:32:35.353
And so So we, you know, kind of get the best of both worlds.

00:32:35.373 --> 00:32:37.292
We get to be here in the summer when it's lovely.

00:32:37.292 --> 00:32:40.682
And then we like to leave in the winter and go somewhere different.

00:32:40.712 --> 00:32:43.803
eventually we want to build that out and be even more nomadic.

00:32:43.982 --> 00:32:45.752
We've got our, part of our vision.

00:32:45.782 --> 00:32:49.212
I don't know if you've ever seen the Airstream Atlas, touring coach.

00:32:49.212 --> 00:32:51.073
Yeah.

00:32:51.153 --> 00:32:51.573
We want to

00:32:51.573 --> 00:32:52.403
do the van life.

00:32:52.423 --> 00:32:53.542
want to give that a go.

00:32:53.833 --> 00:33:02.053
we're super into the road trips like you, like, we've got a dream of kind of traveling around Canada, the U S and kind of going to all the, all the

00:33:02.053 --> 00:33:02.583
Americas,

00:33:03.113 --> 00:33:07.353
the hiking and checking out the different ballparks, like baseball ballparks and stuff.

00:33:07.373 --> 00:33:07.893
Oh, we got

00:33:07.893 --> 00:33:09.103
to meet up along the way then.

00:33:09.103 --> 00:33:09.403
Yeah.

00:33:09.472 --> 00:33:10.032
Yeah, sure.

00:33:10.272 --> 00:33:10.482
Yeah.

00:33:11.083 --> 00:33:15.792
We've got a bucket list item of seeing every ballpark and every football stadium for whatever reason.

00:33:16.002 --> 00:33:16.563
Okay.

00:33:16.673 --> 00:33:17.073
I love it.

00:33:17.942 --> 00:33:18.173
Yeah.

00:33:18.383 --> 00:33:18.932
Nice.

00:33:19.252 --> 00:33:22.883
So, all right, let's go into when these four.

00:33:23.212 --> 00:33:25.073
pillars break down, right?

00:33:25.073 --> 00:33:27.012
Cause these, these are, these are great by the way.

00:33:27.012 --> 00:33:29.742
But what about like, where, where do people come to you usually?

00:33:29.742 --> 00:33:33.553
Do they come to you when they've already kind of realized there's some alignment?

00:33:33.563 --> 00:33:36.363
Hey, we want to do life together and fix it.

00:33:36.363 --> 00:33:40.042
or do they come to you when they need marriage counseling essentially.

00:33:41.123 --> 00:33:43.462
Yeah, it's usually there's a breakdown in the marriage.

00:33:43.462 --> 00:33:45.133
They're unhappy in the relationship.

00:33:45.553 --> 00:33:51.712
A lot of times, you'll talk to folks and it's usually the same core four.

00:33:51.782 --> 00:33:52.952
Lack of communication.

00:33:52.952 --> 00:33:54.292
We've lost intimacy.

00:33:54.323 --> 00:33:55.893
There's a breakdown in trust.

00:33:55.962 --> 00:33:57.972
We drifted over the years.

00:33:58.022 --> 00:33:58.373
Yeah.

00:33:58.373 --> 00:33:59.202
No connection.

00:33:59.593 --> 00:34:04.413
And so those are kind of the reasons why people will normally put their hand up.

00:34:04.423 --> 00:34:07.053
Like we're struggling a little bit.

00:34:07.827 --> 00:34:24.148
And then when you get into it a little bit more there, those are issues for sure, but there's also some other stuff that's, you know, you don't think about like, well, there's some limiting beliefs there about your worthiness, there might be some patterns of accepting things that, you deserve better than.

00:34:24.467 --> 00:34:27.677
And then there's, and that comes down to a worthiness thing.

00:34:28.148 --> 00:34:36.318
and then fun has been gone for years, you know, they, they focused on kids for so long that they've lost the intentionality in their own marriage.

00:34:36.507 --> 00:34:47.407
And so usually they come for the one reason it's, you know, we can't communicate, we argue too much or we're always fighting or we never spend any time together, things like that.

00:34:47.773 --> 00:34:51.302
But it evolves into, there, there's always so much more under the surface.

00:34:51.512 --> 00:34:55.652
That's the kind of like the surface level problem, but there's always more underneath it.

00:34:55.702 --> 00:35:06.523
we would love to talk to people earlier, so they don't have to get to that point where they feel completely disconnected and like strangers and they're, you know, they're really starting to feel really unhappy.

00:35:06.523 --> 00:35:10.682
We'd love to chat, to talk to people before they get to that point so that they never have to get there.

00:35:10.882 --> 00:35:12.813
It's just, people don't tend to.

00:35:13.128 --> 00:35:17.077
You know, raise their hand and reach out for help until it's gotten to a point that it's unsustainable.

00:35:17.827 --> 00:35:26.427
Most people wait for the, the pain of the situation to have gotten so greater than the, you know, the pain of the discomfort of having to change.

00:35:26.688 --> 00:35:31.007
So people wait until it's gotten to the point that it's, I can't keep going like this.

00:35:31.007 --> 00:35:32.117
we can't continue like this.

00:35:32.177 --> 00:35:36.378
We need help as opposed to, I can see we're headed down this path.

00:35:37.047 --> 00:35:39.588
but I'm going to wait till we get there to raise my hand.

00:35:39.867 --> 00:35:40.498
Usually.

00:35:41.333 --> 00:35:45.123
Yeah, human nature is we avoid problems as much as we can, right?

00:35:45.353 --> 00:35:51.793
It's human nature and ultimately in a marriage that can compound the problem and make things so much worse down the line.

00:35:51.893 --> 00:35:56.353
it's really great when someone can identify like, Ooh, I'm feeling this now.

00:35:56.353 --> 00:35:58.992
It's only going to get worse if I don't deal with it in the moment.

00:36:00.083 --> 00:36:10.083
Well, I, I, I love this topic actually before I, we, I know we're getting close to the end, but I'd like to ask you just, you have this concept of married preneurship.

00:36:11.682 --> 00:36:12.782
I love that term.

00:36:12.782 --> 00:36:13.402
Never heard of you.

00:36:13.413 --> 00:36:14.273
Did you guys coin it?

00:36:15.483 --> 00:36:16.583
I don't think so.

00:36:16.583 --> 00:36:18.802
I think I've heard it elsewhere as well.

00:36:18.802 --> 00:36:20.172
It's, okay.

00:36:20.878 --> 00:36:25.358
Let me put it on pause so I can look it up and see if it's available to sell it to you guys.

00:36:26.157 --> 00:36:26.518
Just kidding.

00:36:27.277 --> 00:36:28.047
What a great term.

00:36:28.288 --> 00:36:31.347
So just describe that a little bit.

00:36:31.347 --> 00:36:34.588
I know it's go ahead and describe it in your own words.

00:36:37.018 --> 00:36:38.197
It's entrepreneurs.

00:36:38.268 --> 00:36:44.148
it's basically two people joining forces as a married couple and going through the entrepreneurial journey together.

00:36:44.597 --> 00:36:47.338
it's basically entrepreneurship is, a journey.

00:36:47.387 --> 00:36:47.807
It's.

00:36:48.253 --> 00:36:49.023
Stressful.

00:36:49.023 --> 00:36:50.103
It's challenging.

00:36:50.682 --> 00:36:52.413
it comes to ups and downs.

00:36:52.512 --> 00:36:54.492
The ups are so fantastic.

00:36:54.492 --> 00:36:56.123
It makes all the downs worth it.

00:36:56.512 --> 00:37:01.632
But there are some moments where you question yourself, you question every decision that you're making.

00:37:01.893 --> 00:37:02.793
Why am I doing this?

00:37:02.793 --> 00:37:03.532
There are those moments.

00:37:03.583 --> 00:37:04.032
Yeah.

00:37:04.063 --> 00:37:05.623
And it's lonely sometimes,

00:37:06.123 --> 00:37:06.253
you

00:37:06.253 --> 00:37:08.532
know, oftentimes I find as an entrepreneur.

00:37:09.182 --> 00:37:13.717
you're creating your own path sometimes and not everyone necessarily understands it.

00:37:13.717 --> 00:37:16.032
So, it sometimes feels a bit isolating.

00:37:16.032 --> 00:37:25.233
And so it's helpful when you've got that other person that understands the vision that, you know, when you're having those down days where it's what am I doing?

00:37:25.623 --> 00:37:27.822
We don't usually have them at the same time.

00:37:28.208 --> 00:37:28.818
It's helpful.

00:37:28.818 --> 00:37:31.338
Like, my down day, isn't the same as his down day.

00:37:31.338 --> 00:37:33.338
And my update isn't always the same as his.

00:37:33.347 --> 00:37:36.148
So we can kind of pull each other back and forth.

00:37:36.157 --> 00:37:38.327
We can pull each other out of those lower days.

00:37:38.327 --> 00:37:43.737
And you've got someone sort of shoulder to shoulder with you who understands what it's all for.

00:37:44.228 --> 00:37:49.237
You can be on the same page in life, in business, at home, everywhere.

00:37:49.367 --> 00:37:50.898
You've got someone, you've got a teammate.

00:37:51.047 --> 00:37:52.657
And it's really cool because.

00:37:53.452 --> 00:37:55.672
As an entrepreneur, you're constantly growing.

00:37:55.672 --> 00:37:57.152
It's human nature to want to grow.

00:37:57.152 --> 00:38:02.302
And I just find it so much of a bigger thing, in entrepreneurship.

00:38:02.853 --> 00:38:06.302
when you're growing together, you're not growing apart.

00:38:06.822 --> 00:38:16.782
so many times as an entrepreneur, we've heard that, they're growing constantly trying to build this business and grow as a human being to become that best version of themselves to have that vision at the end of the day.

00:38:17.182 --> 00:38:19.393
And many times their spouse.

00:38:19.967 --> 00:38:21.358
isn't as interested in that.

00:38:21.438 --> 00:38:23.938
They're maybe not growing at the same rate.

00:38:24.217 --> 00:38:28.097
And when you do that, you eventually, yeah, kind of grow apart.

00:38:28.458 --> 00:38:33.617
And so married partnership is, is kind of growing together and becoming the best versions of yourselves.

00:38:34.027 --> 00:38:38.027
And it's also growing your marriage and your business and your life becomes exponential.

00:38:39.248 --> 00:38:42.538
So with your coaching is married partnership, the goal,

00:38:44.617 --> 00:38:45.378
entrepreneurs.

00:38:46.288 --> 00:38:49.788
Especially married entrepreneurs, have an added layer of complexity, right?

00:38:49.788 --> 00:38:55.188
They've got this sort of unique situation that other married couples don't necessarily have.

00:38:55.398 --> 00:39:04.407
And so it's nice to have someone who speaks their language, who understands what they're going through, owning your own business and working through that together as a couple.

00:39:04.557 --> 00:39:12.688
So we like to help entrepreneurs because we understand them, in a way that not necessarily everybody does, but we don't only help entrepreneurs.

00:39:13.708 --> 00:39:14.077
Okay.

00:39:14.257 --> 00:39:14.557
Great.

00:39:15.097 --> 00:39:15.907
let's get into it.

00:39:15.907 --> 00:39:20.367
Cause we got a two for one special today with our world famous Wayfinder four.

00:39:20.768 --> 00:39:22.208
So, all right.

00:39:22.288 --> 00:39:22.788
You can't.

00:39:23.617 --> 00:39:28.637
Not, you know, when we get to the part about favorites, no cardboard penises, please.

00:39:28.637 --> 00:39:30.088
Okay.

00:39:30.088 --> 00:39:30.327
All right.

00:39:30.338 --> 00:39:38.788
Thank you Let's start off with a hack something you guys use to cheat Life with and you guys can each give me one

00:39:40.628 --> 00:39:42.427
What comes to mind for me is walking?

00:39:43.068 --> 00:39:43.327
Yeah,

00:39:43.338 --> 00:40:05.527
we walk together every day and it helps us connect like we have good conversation when we're walking together You know, it's just good for our health to get our steps in it gets the blood pumping We're also more creative when we walk so it benefits our business So walking is almost like the secret ingredient that helps our business and our marriage and our health for that matter It's walking is a life hack for us

00:40:06.657 --> 00:40:08.367
And another one is sleep.

00:40:09.027 --> 00:40:15.148
I would say make sure that you're getting good quality 7 8 hours of sleep every night.

00:40:16.518 --> 00:40:29.057
And I know that there's entrepreneurs, you know, you're You might have to pull an all nighter or whatever limited as much as you can do as much as you can to get that sleep That is so vital for your health and it keeps you Energized and going for the next day.

00:40:29.148 --> 00:40:30.898
He just finished the book why we sleep.

00:40:30.978 --> 00:40:31.827
It's very front of mind

00:40:32.577 --> 00:40:33.737
No, I i'm with you though.

00:40:33.737 --> 00:40:44.878
I'm a hardcore runner and that really got me into getting good sleep habits and I gotta tell you like I'm a big believer that all those, like all-nighters that we used to pull, like they're really not necessary.

00:40:44.998 --> 00:40:48.657
If you prioritize sleep, it'll help you plan out everything.

00:40:48.657 --> 00:40:50.307
So you don't have to pull the all-nighters.

00:40:50.398 --> 00:40:50.697
Exactly.

00:40:50.697 --> 00:40:51.297
I agree

00:40:51.297 --> 00:40:51.358
a

00:40:51.358 --> 00:40:51.867
hundred percent.

00:40:51.867 --> 00:40:52.378
Look at that.

00:40:52.378 --> 00:40:52.797
We're in common.

00:40:53.197 --> 00:40:53.447
Cool.

00:40:53.458 --> 00:40:58.068
By the way, my wife and I also, you mentioned walking right now.

00:40:58.068 --> 00:41:05.967
We're not in that cause it's just been too hot at the time that we normally would go walk, but we usually would do an afternoon walk together with the dogs and it was so good.

00:41:05.978 --> 00:41:07.347
That's when we recapped the day.

00:41:07.398 --> 00:41:08.498
and I really look forward to it.

00:41:08.827 --> 00:41:11.668
The weather's starting to turn again and I can't wait to get back to that.

00:41:11.717 --> 00:41:13.228
Cause we were just talking about that earlier.

00:41:13.228 --> 00:41:14.168
And so that's good.

00:41:14.668 --> 00:41:15.418
That's a great answer.

00:41:15.952 --> 00:41:16.302
Cool.

00:41:16.322 --> 00:41:17.742
So how about a favorite?

00:41:17.992 --> 00:41:21.552
This could be a book, a show, not a cardboard penis, but anything else.

00:41:21.563 --> 00:41:22.552
Not a cardboard penis.

00:41:23.012 --> 00:41:27.963
My favorite book, so far anyway, is The Mountain Is You.

00:41:28.003 --> 00:41:29.813
Actually, any book by Brianna Wiest.

00:41:30.802 --> 00:41:31.182
She

00:41:31.182 --> 00:41:33.103
is fabulous.

00:41:33.583 --> 00:41:39.023
But The Mountain Is You specifically is my favorite of hers, but I'll read anything she's written.

00:41:39.452 --> 00:41:40.152
I feel like a great book.

00:41:40.652 --> 00:41:41.032
Okay.

00:41:41.922 --> 00:41:42.313
Awesome.

00:41:42.353 --> 00:41:42.902
How about you?

00:41:43.333 --> 00:41:43.612
Craig.

00:41:45.623 --> 00:41:47.443
my top book.

00:41:47.762 --> 00:41:48.143
Oh, there's so many.

00:41:48.143 --> 00:41:48.853
It could be anything.

00:41:48.882 --> 00:41:49.072
It could

00:41:49.103 --> 00:41:49.682
be anything.

00:41:50.373 --> 00:41:51.983
Spore, hobby, uh, you know, show.

00:41:51.983 --> 00:41:52.793
Oh, uh, favorite

00:41:52.992 --> 00:41:53.722
TV show.

00:41:53.742 --> 00:42:02.213
I'll give you a great TV show, it actually has some really cool life philosophies and lessons, and it's called Ted Lasso.

00:42:03.452 --> 00:42:07.612
When you said life philosophies, I kind of knew you were going to say Ted Lasso.

00:42:07.612 --> 00:42:08.862
You know, I've never seen it.

00:42:09.313 --> 00:42:11.992
I've never seen it, but a few people have used that one.

00:42:11.992 --> 00:42:13.208
You have to watch it.

00:42:13.757 --> 00:42:14.407
Yeah.

00:42:14.478 --> 00:42:16.478
And actually now I know I'm lying.

00:42:16.478 --> 00:42:28.748
I did have another, uh, couple of other couples and, and they, they have a business too together and they, they teach people how to be, uh, innovative and creative through improv and, uh, awesome.

00:42:28.757 --> 00:42:30.788
You guys need to have them on the show on your show.

00:42:31.188 --> 00:42:31.668
They're great.

00:42:31.717 --> 00:42:35.737
I'll give you their info, but they said Ted Lasso too, and all about how it was really funny.

00:42:35.737 --> 00:42:37.135
Okay.

00:42:37.135 --> 00:42:38.532
Yeah.

00:42:38.612 --> 00:42:40.831
So how about a piece of advice for you?

00:42:40.831 --> 00:42:41.762
Younger self.

00:42:43.007 --> 00:42:45.597
Stop caring so much what other people think.

00:42:47.226 --> 00:42:53.306
I was so caught in that for so long, like until my turn 40, I cared.

00:42:53.306 --> 00:42:54.226
It's still a battle.

00:42:54.246 --> 00:42:58.516
It's not something I've completely released, but I was a massive people pleaser.

00:42:58.856 --> 00:43:01.606
I had zero boundaries, people pleasing to the end of the year.

00:43:02.146 --> 00:43:03.706
Stop caring what other people think.

00:43:03.936 --> 00:43:04.277
Yeah.

00:43:05.786 --> 00:43:06.956
just do the thing.

00:43:07.317 --> 00:43:08.126
Just do it.

00:43:08.166 --> 00:43:09.387
Just take the step.

00:43:09.476 --> 00:43:09.976
Do the thing.

00:43:09.976 --> 00:43:11.237
And don't worry about perfection.

00:43:11.257 --> 00:43:12.737
There's no such thing as perfection.

00:43:12.737 --> 00:43:14.036
Just get started and do it.

00:43:14.117 --> 00:43:15.036
Whatever's on your heart.

00:43:15.547 --> 00:43:16.126
Don't wait.

00:43:16.347 --> 00:43:17.217
Just do it.

00:43:17.476 --> 00:43:17.806
Yeah.

00:43:18.137 --> 00:43:19.126
And they go well together.

00:43:19.126 --> 00:43:19.347
Right.

00:43:19.356 --> 00:43:19.976
Just do it.

00:43:19.976 --> 00:43:24.257
And don't stop giving a rat's behind about what others think.

00:43:24.396 --> 00:43:24.556
Right.

00:43:24.556 --> 00:43:24.786
Yeah.

00:43:25.047 --> 00:43:28.447
And as podcasters, I think we have to embrace both of those and just, right.

00:43:28.476 --> 00:43:28.507
Yeah.

00:43:30.097 --> 00:43:32.206
Something we've really taken away from the podcast for sure.

00:43:32.217 --> 00:43:32.556
Yeah.

00:43:32.556 --> 00:43:32.996
Yeah.

00:43:33.617 --> 00:43:37.916
If we waited to start our first episode until we were ready, we still would not have recorded one episode.

00:43:38.476 --> 00:43:39.657
Oh, a hundred percent, man.

00:43:39.677 --> 00:43:43.387
And me, like, I can't stand listening to my voice, right?

00:43:43.666 --> 00:43:45.126
And I think that's a really common thing.

00:43:45.126 --> 00:43:47.927
Now I've grown comfortable with it, but it was so hard.

00:43:47.936 --> 00:43:53.077
And you're afraid of all the ums and ahs and all these things, after a while, it's just like, drop it.

00:43:53.086 --> 00:43:53.637
Who cares?

00:43:53.637 --> 00:43:54.496
Like what they, you know?

00:43:54.677 --> 00:43:55.746
Just being human.

00:43:55.856 --> 00:43:55.956
That's

00:43:56.007 --> 00:43:56.306
cool.

00:43:56.306 --> 00:43:59.157
So this one, I'll give you a choice, for each.

00:43:59.507 --> 00:44:03.297
Give us either a big opportunity or a limiting belief.

00:44:04.297 --> 00:44:05.467
Like, of my own?

00:44:05.666 --> 00:44:06.056
Mm hmm.

00:44:06.467 --> 00:44:06.827
Yeah.

00:44:06.916 --> 00:44:09.726
Or, or that you see or are working on, whatever.

00:44:10.257 --> 00:44:11.976
Either an opportunity or a limiting belief?

00:44:12.396 --> 00:44:17.746
my limiting belief, I'm still working on it, I'm working on it every day, is I'm not enough.

00:44:17.896 --> 00:44:28.806
And so every single day, I look in the mirror, make eye contact with myself, I smile at myself, I say I love you, I'm proud of you, you've got this, and I give myself a high five in the mirror every day.

00:44:29.027 --> 00:44:30.467
And it's been really helping.

00:44:30.896 --> 00:44:31.467
I love it.

00:44:31.952 --> 00:44:33.362
It's a work in progress for me, for sure.

00:44:34.112 --> 00:44:36.362
Yeah, and for me, it's, similar.

00:44:36.382 --> 00:44:44.862
I struggle with the perfectionism and the, you know, never wanting to be seen as, wrong or not doing something completely right.

00:44:45.632 --> 00:44:49.481
And so, for me, it's a constant battle of fighting that.

00:44:49.762 --> 00:44:51.802
just do the thing.

00:44:51.831 --> 00:44:53.351
Just take the step.

00:44:53.371 --> 00:44:54.541
Nobody cares.

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Nobody's paying that much attention to you.

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Do it.

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So it's a constant battle for perfectionism for me.

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and I do struggle a little bit sometimes with, being seen and telling my story, I've always had a mindset of like who really cares about your story, but I'm learning and I'm getting there that it's actually really important.

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It can help a lot of people.

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And if I'm not a hundred percent, or if I don't tell my story, I can't help as many people as I want.

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That's right.

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Yeah, I love that.

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You know, I had a hard time with that too, because I didn't really, I think with my story, like, I'm just like, who cares?

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You know, nobody wants that.

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I, I now, I don't know.

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And, and we make up our own stories, right?

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We are whatever we think we are.

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So, like, but, I think to grow the Wayfinders show, I started to get on more podcasts and, and to get on more, people just want to hear your story.

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That's why they let you on.

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And I'm realizing like, Oh shoot, really?

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And I want to talk about this, but they want to know my story and I'm like, okay, so it's, there are people who want to hear it.

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Get out there and share it.

00:45:56.509 --> 00:45:58.949
Alright, so what about contact information?

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how can we, if people want to know more about you?

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Yep, we are on Instagram.

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You can find us at Meredith and Craig on Instagram.

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And we've got the Road of Life podcast so you can find us there as well.

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Awesome.

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And we've got a website.

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Yeah, what's

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the website?

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www.

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roadoflifecoaching.

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com.

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guys, this has been a real treat.

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I really, really enjoyed this.

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I'm going to take this episode and, you know, take it back today.

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Hopefully on our evening walk with my wife, it's starting to cool again.

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So we can, maybe this is a good excuse to start walking together again and share about, what I've had here.

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Maybe.

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You know, one day, who knows, we're, we're starting to discuss a possible venture together again for the first time in like 15 years.

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So, maybe, you know, we can talk about that in the future as well.

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Yeah.

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You guys are inspirational.

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So keep doing what you're doing and sharing it with the world.

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It's, it's awesome.

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Thank you for being here.

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