Discover Free Government Resources with Matthew Lesko

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Why pay a university 40 grand a year to get a skill and a credential when somebody is going to pay you 40 grand a year to get a skill and credential, you know, to have a career.

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And I mean, look, I'm 81 years old, man.

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I still could do this stuff for a long time.

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You could be president, right?

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I'm like too young.

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I'm only 80.

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Welcome back to The Wayfinder Show.

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I'm your host, Louie Hernandez.

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And today is going to be a really fun episode because I have one of my heroes from my childhood here today.

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His name is Matthew Lesko, and he's a renowned advocate for educating Americans about government programs and benefits.

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With over 40 years of experience, he has sold more than four million books and has become a household name through his colorful tv infomercials, which is what I remember.

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He's also been a guest on Oprah, Larry King, Good Morning America, and David Letterman.

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Now at 81, He continues his mission through Lesco Help, a 15, 000 member community that assists people in accessing free government money and resources.

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His life's work has empowered millions of individuals to find the financial assistance they need to thrive.

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Matthew, welcome to the show.

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Oh, thank you.

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Boy, that's I never heard that.

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I guess I never read that thing.

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That sounds great.

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You don't have to be anymore now.

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We're good.

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Hey, it was a wonder, wonder what happened here.

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Yeah, no, as we were talking about a little bit before the show, I grew up, child of the eighties and watching late night TV and you would pop up and I remember a green suit with dollar bills and stuff all over it and you'd get on and just talk about how the government had all this free money for us, you know, and it always had You never bought a book.

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I mean, when I was growing up, it was a household that probably wouldn't have forgiven me for spending money on a book, to be honest.

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But I should have.

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You're absolutely right.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, but you did all right with regardless.

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Oh yes.

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More than I ever thought.

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and that's what I hope my work does is help people because what I've found is that there's sources, if you want to do something in life, you know, what happens, the average person will go.

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Go to Google.

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You know, I want to start a business.

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I need money or something.

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And you go to Google and they're going to show you maybe about 200 million websites to help you.

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And the problem with that, every one of those websites want to get your money.

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See, they're going to promise you, we'll help you start a business, but it costs you money.

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And what I'm trying to get people to realize is that you don't have to pay to change your life.

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There are so many government money programs that you can't find in Google because Google doesn't, show you the government programs because the government doesn't pay for advertising.

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See, so what you find when you go to Google are all those people.

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That are paying Google to find you because you want to solve that problem and they want to get your money to help you solve that problem when in fact, a third of our economy is people want to give you money and free help to do what you want to do.

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capitalism represents about two thirds of our economy.

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And the third of our economy is government and, Non profit organizations.

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they don't advertise.

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So you'll never find them in Google.

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People don't know they're there.

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And so what happens, people go to Google and thinks, Oh, I can't start a business because I don't have money.

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I can't get an education or training for a better job because I don't have money to go to trade school.

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No, so much money on all that.

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It's crazy.

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And there's now more than ever before.

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For particularly training money, they'll, they'll take you at any age and you hate your job.

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I mean, they'll pay you like, 40, 50, 000 a year to get a skill, whether it's a computer skill, a healthcare skill, or, or you, you want to be a carpenter or anything, you know, that you really wanted to be in life.

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And get paid to get that skill to be in a career.

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That's 100, 000.

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I mean, you know, so why pay a university 40 grand a year to get a skill and a credential when somebody is going to pay you 40 grand a year to get a skill and credential, you know, to have a career.

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I mean, look, I'm 81 years old, man.

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I still could do this stuff for a long time.

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You could be president.

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Right.

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I'm like too young.

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I'm only 80.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And that's, you know, there's so much we all have to give.

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And I think that's the problem with aging.

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We think that at 62, we got to check out and, you know, grow flowers in the backyard or some shit like that.

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That's not for me.

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And that's not, that's not stimulating and that's not contributing.

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I think we really continue to grow in.

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Life like somebody who's a plant or like anything organic has to keep growing or it dies.

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So if you're not, you don't keep growing, then yeah, you're going to die earlier.

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I feel, but I don't have a scientific evidence for this.

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The longer you give, and what I see as I get older is that the key is in giving.

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And so that's why a lot of us are in jobs we hate because we're not giving our best.

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We're there for some other reason, making the bills, and you do have to make the bills first.

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But we're not giving as much as we can.

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It's sort of like, a mediocre relationship, you stay there because you don't know your alternatives and when your alternatives are out there, but it takes some courage to go looking.

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And now people, I think don't look because they think it costs so much money.

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And it doesn't, you know, but you have to learn how to use this alternative system, not the capitalist system.

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If you have money, use the capitalist system.

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Fine.

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But if you don't, you have to use this other system, but we don't train people to do that.

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I was just wondering why you're not running for president at 81 since, yeah.

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I hear that sounds like a job.

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That's right, yeah, we don't work every day.

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That's right, we don't want that.

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You've been around now for quite a few generations and your work is really important I mean it had an effect on me You know from a young age I remember staying up late watching TV and seeing you come on and it got me to think about how I could get money for things I wanted to do because I grew up in a very poor household that got me to look for scholarships and everything to go to college and I was the first to go to college because of That even in times when I started businesses, I actually got a grant from the state A year ago.

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it was like 5, 000, for a business.

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Yeah, so.

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What was the grant called?

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Yeah, what was the grant called?

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Oh, I can send you that information.

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it's through the state of Colorado.

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And it's for a business you have to go through like a six week thing.

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And then they send you a grant for your business.

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and somebody I was working with that was doing some marketing for me worked for the state as well, and she told me about the program and I applied and got it.

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And it was great.

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i'll send you that Offline.

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I have to look it up.

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but there's been other times.

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I mean, I think Colorado is very good.

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Yeah.

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there's just been a lot of times in my life where and I've looked, you're absolutely right.

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We always think about, government spending being a bad thing, but it can be there to help you build things that do good for society.

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Right.

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And I think that's what the intent is.

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Here we are on election day when we're making our decisions based on these things.

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what brings it home to me is Elon Musk is interested in the government because he gets more money than God from the government.

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Amazon guy, I mean, who also owns Washington Post is trying to suck up to, the government or to, Trump because he may give president and he wants to get more government money.

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All these fat cats live off the government and then they say.

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It's bad for all the rest of us.

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That's right.

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Well, I think they realize, you know, if you can't beat them, join them.

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where the majority of, Silicon Valley companies have actually all established offices in DC as well now, because they realize That when they first started out, they poo poo to government.

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Now they're all sucking it out.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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And that's why they used to be apolitical.

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Now they're political because they want to be in the loop to get their phone calls answered.

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It's the biggest.

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Anybody, because it's easier now for a big company to go get along.

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Law changed than it is to start a new product.

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right.

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All you do is lobby, you get law changed to give you a billion dollars, and then you don't have to be creative as a business person.

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Yeah, that's wild.

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Creative as a lobbyist.

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You know, Matthew, I'm curious, before we get more into the mechanics behind that, I really like to get to know the story behind Vogue, so I'm curious, what made you get into this?

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That was an old man joke.

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Behind me.

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That's why I love grandkids.

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They left laugh at anything.

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It's a good job.

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Joe sophisticated middle people.

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I get it.

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I always want to start business.

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I mean, that was my dream.

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when the Navy three years, two months, nine days, cause I didn't want to go.

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On the draft, I didn't want to sleep in the jungle.

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Joining the Navy.

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I sleep on clean sheets every night and watch the war.

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got out of there and, got a MBA in computers.

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Back in the seventies, but I was a computer science professor when I always wanted to start a business.

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I had a software company back in the seventies that failed, and I must've been the only person in the world that that happened to, and thank God failure is the best thing.

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Yeah, I got it.

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It took me two, three businesses that fail to realize everything I learned in MBA school and the experts taught me didn't work for shit for me.

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And I didn't lose my lose money.

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So then the next businesses I started, I started without money.

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And that's when they started.

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Growing.

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and since then I didn't have to worry about eating ups and downs, but feeding myself is the most important thing you have to take care of yourself first.

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I flunked English in college and high school and everywhere I went and I got two New York times bestsellers.

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Yeah.

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I'm doing way beyond I ever thought.

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It could happen to me, you know, I've been thrown out of schools, you know, and just for being a smart ass, I just didn't like structured learning and rather entertain myself.

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Yeah.

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so I was thrown out a lot of schools and, just being a smart ass.

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and because.

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I was bored.

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And now I can't wait to get up in the morning, to try to help people.

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I mean, it's all about helping.

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So the computer business failed.

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and then I was, a consultant for fortune 500 companies because of my MBA, I was designing an external management information system.

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And this was back in the seventies, when Computers were just doing payroll.

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That's all they did.

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And they weren't concerned about what's going on outside your business.

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And I thought, well, that's what top management has to know, because that's, what's going to change their business and back in the seventies, what happened when I was starting this, we had the oil embargo and that brought the whole country to its knees.

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So everybody's business no matter who the hell you were.

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And I thought what top management needed was some kind of information system that would warn them of things like this, that may affect them, laws, technology, international stuff.

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And I want to design an external management information system for companies.

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They didn't know what I was talking about because probably I didn't either.

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And then I just said, I do research.

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So these companies would hire me to do research.

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And most of it was in mergers and acquisitions.

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They're the people in a company that wanted to know what's going on outside the company, they want to buy a company or wanted to know about a market or whatever.

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So I would do the research for him and I was sitting in Washington.

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I didn't know anything about Washington.

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And so I'd go to.

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Libraries in Washington, Washington had more libraries than anybody else, and this is before the internet, so you couldn't go to the internet and find all this stuff, you had to go to the library of medicine, they had it all there, for agriculture, you go to the Department of Agriculture library, so it was all there, so I'd get all this stuff, reports, and then I'd sell them to my clients for as much as I can, more than the information that was in these papers, Organize it with the people.

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See, I was able to realize that you could sit in Washington and in seven phone calls find an expert, a free, a free expert on anything.

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I remember Procter and Gamble called me up wanting to start a chain of pasta stores.

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Okay.

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So I get on the phone.

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I start calling around the department of commerce, whatever.

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I find a bureaucrat there who's probably a GS 15 or so getting paid almost a hundred grand a year nowadays, to study the pasta business.

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That's all he does.

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And I'd make an appointment with him to see him.

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And I'd go down this little office, little cubby hole and a gray desk, and he would be incredible about the market for pasta.

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He'd show me reports and studies and government just spent 20, 000 on this report, and he'd give me a copy of that, and he'd put graphs on the top of the window, and this, A line crosses this line.

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What's going to happen?

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So I take all this information, take his name off of it, and then charge my client 5, 10, 15, 000, whatever I could get from him for all this free research that I got for free.

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And growing up in Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, I had no idea.

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I didn't know I could even find this information or I'm allowed to.

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And you could just call up and go.

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And that was, but why I got sick to helping rich people.

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So I was sort of fell.

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I was making millionaires into billionaires.

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Yeah, that's no fun because I knew in Wilkes Barre there's thousands and thousands of people have no idea about it.

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You this stuff.

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Maybe you don't want to start a pasta business, but you want a new home.

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You want to get out of debt.

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you want to start your own little business and the help is there for that too.

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So the way I did that was by doing normal books, but I flunked English in college.

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So it wasn't an author.

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But I got a contract and the book copied, I plagiarized a government document.

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It was called a Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance.

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And it started out in 19 66, 7, 8, or something like that.

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And it's published every year since and still around.

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And it shows you all the major money programs in the government.

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So I literally just took that.

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And remember, nothing in the government has copyrighted, so you could take any government document and sell the hell out of it.

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There are nothing.

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So I did that.

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I copied that and what I did is put headlines and that's all the government would call something like, Oh, the urban homesteading act, which is a government program that gives money for you to take their old houses.

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They can't do anything with, they sell it to you for a dollar.

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Oh yeah.

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That's not the urban homesteading act.

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That's for a dollar.

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So I just put catchy headlines.

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Went on talk shows, man, became New York Times bestseller and I didn't write a lick.

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So since then, it's been my rest of my life will be to try to educate people about these programs.

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I feel it's like, Oil under the ground, everybody is standing on top of, you know, and they're not digging into it because they don't know how or where the hell it is.

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It's a little complicated monster because we don't train anybody to do this in school.

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We tell you, train you how to spend money, how to buy professionals.

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That's all we do.

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And not that we have a resource.

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as able to take advantage of, no matter who you are, rich or poor, it doesn't matter, of this expertise and the money programs and everything that, could help you do something closer to what you want to do in life because then you give more, you're giving the community more, you're giving more of yourself because you enjoy this.

00:17:24.068 --> 00:17:25.439
It's not like going to the dentist.

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That's what most of work is.

00:17:29.163 --> 00:17:30.233
It's like going to the den.

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Oh, I gotta go.

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And but if you're doing something you want, you're given 120 percent 150 percent because this is what you want to do.

00:17:39.713 --> 00:17:53.778
So this is another resource I feel in our country that we're not taking advantage of because we're Forcing people to do this and they they're part of blame too.

00:17:53.778 --> 00:17:56.169
It's hard to get over them because nobody else is doing it.

00:17:56.169 --> 00:18:08.689
Nobody, you know, the structure set up, to keep the existing system, financed to people that keep in it to keep it going to pay 50, 000 to go to school to get a decent job.

00:18:08.699 --> 00:18:09.769
You don't have to do that.

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You know, even skills now and we're slowly turning on that.

00:18:13.659 --> 00:18:15.788
Aspect or even getting rid of your debt.

00:18:15.838 --> 00:18:19.249
you go to Google and all these people, they're going to fix your debt and everything.

00:18:19.509 --> 00:18:22.348
You ain't got to make money from you because they're getting paid.

00:18:22.348 --> 00:18:23.189
They got to pay Google.

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But there's organizations.

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You could go to hud.

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gov H U D dot G O V slash counseling.

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And you'll find in your area, there has to be a dozen, half a dozen, at least nonprofit organizations that will help you get rid of your debt.

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No charge.

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No.

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Nothing.

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And that's that hurt.

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People are not contributing more that they can to our society because of this.

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And so to me, it's really a mission that I can't think of anything more important to do than to educate as many people I can about this resource that costs absolutely nothing.

00:19:07.834 --> 00:19:09.624
Just that people aren't used to doing it.

00:19:09.953 --> 00:19:13.334
So they're used to salesmen kissing their ass.

00:19:15.284 --> 00:19:24.328
So Matthew, I'm curious when, with this money, if people aren't aware of it, And it, it doesn't get used, right?

00:19:25.449 --> 00:19:26.338
Am, am I right?

00:19:26.338 --> 00:19:27.558
So what, what happens to it?

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It depends on the program.

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Some programs, there are programs where they have to keep giving out the money as long as qualified people show up at the door.

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I just created a list the other day about 50 programs that only, anywhere from 15 to 40 percent of the people that are eligible don't apply.

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some are limited.

00:19:55.669 --> 00:20:02.898
in funds, they only have X amount of dollars, a lot of them are, especially now they come and go like the program you have, that's for entrepreneurs.

00:20:02.909 --> 00:20:04.538
they probably have a limited amount.

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if you know about it early enough, you'd be able to get in line and get one.

00:20:08.858 --> 00:20:12.199
If you don't, you have to wait till next time and get it.

00:20:12.499 --> 00:20:16.808
so that's, I mean, whatever you say about government grants is right.

00:20:17.169 --> 00:20:19.499
And whatever you say about government grants is wrong.

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Yeah.

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There's so many different.

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So many different programs, literally tens, hundreds of thousands.

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They all have different requirements.

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and that's why a lot of people say, well, the applications are complicated.

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I don't know what yours was.

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but you shouldn't worry about that because most are not at all, unless you're going after a couple million dollars to do something or whatever.

00:20:43.844 --> 00:20:44.054
Mine a.

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That complicated.

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I had attend a couple classes Right.

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And, just to learn more about business, which I would've done for free Right.

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I enjoy that stuff.

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Anyways, they teach how to do it.

00:20:53.193 --> 00:20:53.483
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So they couldn't believe it how to fill it out.

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Check at the end.

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Yeah.

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So I really thought I was like three classes and I really thought at the end that, I went through it.

00:21:03.499 --> 00:21:13.709
There's a lot of other programs too that I think people don't think about like here in Denver We have one for rebate like a rebate check we can get for buying an electrical bike, right?

00:21:13.729 --> 00:21:19.568
So like every so often right, you know, and and I got one do we call it the lottery here in Denver?

00:21:19.578 --> 00:21:23.824
you can get a Wow It was like 200.

00:21:23.943 --> 00:21:24.903
I think I got there.

00:21:24.903 --> 00:21:43.634
There are programs for Everybody gets like two or you can get a cargo bike and I think that was 400 which is I think that's the one I got and but you can 800 yeah, some they also have an income based program and if your income is meets that That threshold, then you can get more.

00:21:43.634 --> 00:21:45.273
I think you can get the whole bike paid off.

00:21:45.624 --> 00:21:49.374
I think a lot of people start to think, Oh, you know, this is, like welfare.

00:21:49.374 --> 00:21:56.824
It's got to be, you know, income based or all that, but you know, we all benefit from this stuff and it's not all income based.

00:21:56.824 --> 00:21:57.104
Right.

00:21:57.163 --> 00:22:08.374
I mean, how many of us now have gone and bought electric vehicles and got in that, that big credit from the government for 65 or 7, 500.

00:22:08.374 --> 00:22:08.693
Right.

00:22:08.773 --> 00:22:09.513
I mean, that's huge.

00:22:09.513 --> 00:22:12.473
And in Colorado, I think they match it with another 6, 000.

00:22:12.473 --> 00:22:13.023
So boom.

00:22:14.318 --> 00:22:18.519
So the, yeah, so there's quite a bit out there and it's not just income based.

00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:22.648
It's not just because you're in a dire straits or anything like that.

00:22:22.659 --> 00:22:27.638
I mean, the government really incentivizes you to do things by giving money.

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Now, I mean, I used to, when I first started income, low income, income was, you know, maybe 40 or 50, 000 kind of stuff.

00:22:34.784 --> 00:22:40.703
And still there's some programs that lower income are like that, but now the income base goes up to 150, 000.

00:22:41.294 --> 00:22:49.804
I mean, like down payments for a house, you get a hundred thousand dollars grant and have an earnings up to 150, 000 or childcare up to.

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400, 000 and get grants for child.

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I mean, it's just crazy.

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That's why you can't.

00:22:56.368 --> 00:22:58.528
And then people hear about one program.

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Oh, I make too much money, maybe for that program, but there's hundreds of thousands of programs that all have different requirements.

00:23:06.769 --> 00:23:09.159
And it's at every level.

00:23:10.459 --> 00:23:10.959
That's right.

00:23:11.009 --> 00:23:11.638
I've seen it.

00:23:11.689 --> 00:23:32.048
I'm actually in the real estate space as a real estate agent But I also work with developers quite a bit And some of my developers are in the what we call the light tech space low income housing tax credits Low income and tax break whatever right and these are some of the most It is the money that is available for the government there.

00:23:32.058 --> 00:23:33.128
You want to talk about?

00:23:33.179 --> 00:23:53.269
Yes, how much I mean they they will have They will build these low income housing projects it to And have the government will pretty much put up the money for it offer tax credits so you can get paid on the equity side of the revenue stack, you know the fundraising stack and the developers get paid along the way quite a bit.

00:23:53.699 --> 00:24:04.788
So the ironic part about it is, I've looked into this, it ends up costing more to build low income housing than it does to do market rate housing, which is, shows you some of the inefficiencies in government.

00:24:04.838 --> 00:24:06.759
By about a hundred dollars a square foot.

00:24:07.278 --> 00:24:10.368
I mean, in reality, because of the requirements involved.

00:24:10.409 --> 00:24:13.818
So for people who are wondering, Hey, why do we have these programs?

00:24:13.818 --> 00:24:15.848
It's like, they shouldn't get upset with the.

00:24:16.304 --> 00:24:29.864
I know some people get upset with some of the lower street level ones, you know, but really this is where the real government spend is going and they just made it easier to build housing, then we would probably have more affordable housing and more affordable, right?

00:24:30.064 --> 00:24:36.574
Both candidates are talking about more money for that.

00:24:37.003 --> 00:24:37.683
It doesn't end.

00:24:37.683 --> 00:24:40.403
I mean, it doesn't grow in my lifetime.

00:24:40.403 --> 00:24:43.513
I've seen it every, it's not a partisan statement.

00:24:43.554 --> 00:24:44.554
It happens.

00:24:44.604 --> 00:24:49.943
the budget deficit grows, the spending grows, regardless of party.

00:24:50.223 --> 00:24:52.713
And, I find ironic about this election.

00:24:52.943 --> 00:24:55.634
Is no longer are we even debating that anymore?

00:24:55.634 --> 00:24:55.913
Right?

00:24:55.913 --> 00:24:56.874
We're not debating.

00:24:57.233 --> 00:24:58.574
One's going to spend.

00:24:58.773 --> 00:25:01.534
We're now we're just debating who's going to spend more years ago.

00:25:01.743 --> 00:25:02.003
Remember?

00:25:04.213 --> 00:25:05.523
The argument has shifted.

00:25:05.554 --> 00:25:08.624
We've accepted that one party spend, they both spend.

00:25:08.923 --> 00:25:11.463
Now the argument is who's going to spend more, right?

00:25:11.463 --> 00:25:13.394
Who's going to be less efficient.

00:25:14.473 --> 00:25:19.144
Power to satisfy their base, whatever that is.

00:25:19.153 --> 00:25:20.094
So they got to give them goodies.

00:25:20.189 --> 00:25:20.644
That's right.

00:25:20.824 --> 00:25:21.663
Revolting Forum.

00:25:23.814 --> 00:25:27.683
I was just curious, you know, with, trying to avoid politics, it's such a political day, right?

00:25:27.693 --> 00:25:32.963
So, I'm curious, over your lifetime, I'd love to hear some success stories.

00:25:32.963 --> 00:25:39.044
I want to hear, what are some of the, who are some of the folks who picked up your book and you've heard from?

00:25:39.548 --> 00:25:50.118
Who really benefited and they changed their lives, you know, I mean, I got 400 on my website.

00:25:50.318 --> 00:26:05.459
you could go to AI and say, give me a list of 20 businesses, that were able to get money and help from, government programs to start or expand the business.

00:26:07.433 --> 00:26:14.094
and you'll see him there See, AI is wonderful because it gets rid of ads.

00:26:14.624 --> 00:26:26.433
It's Google without ads, because if you put in, okay, grants, give me a listing of grants to start a business free money and help to start my business in Colorado.

00:26:27.294 --> 00:26:30.713
If you do that in Google, you get a billion websites.

00:26:31.814 --> 00:26:32.284
You do it.

00:26:32.703 --> 00:26:36.693
And AI, and I use chat G the open AI.

00:26:36.723 --> 00:26:48.453
com, but all the free ones and you put, give me a listing of 20 nonprofit and government offices in Colorado.

00:26:48.453 --> 00:26:54.104
It's better to use the state cause then make sure you get, a bigger collection, in Colorado that.

00:26:54.939 --> 00:27:05.449
Help me finance or, to start or expand a business and you'll get 20, 50, and you'll just say, give me 20 or 50 more.

00:27:05.798 --> 00:27:07.128
And it will, they're there.

00:27:07.588 --> 00:27:10.699
They're all in small little nonprofit organizations.

00:27:11.328 --> 00:27:15.659
and they're there and see what's to me, what's better than that.

00:27:16.614 --> 00:27:18.354
Is not to look for money.

00:27:18.374 --> 00:27:20.824
If you're starting a business, don't look for money.

00:27:21.423 --> 00:27:27.284
if you want to get free help to start free money to start a business, it's funny.

00:27:27.284 --> 00:27:31.074
I know it sounds stupid, because it's so complicated.

00:27:31.183 --> 00:27:34.423
I mean, like the program you had, it's probably not even there anymore.

00:27:34.804 --> 00:27:36.733
So the things come and go so much.

00:27:37.673 --> 00:27:40.253
and the criteria is complicated.

00:27:40.263 --> 00:27:46.193
You'd never learn and it could never be explained well enough and anything and you'll read on the Internet for it.

00:27:46.584 --> 00:27:56.413
But what that there is available in Colorado and everywhere else isn't our nonprofit experts that help you find the right.

00:27:56.703 --> 00:28:12.963
One's for you see that's better than you trying to sift through all this stuff to see what's right for you when you can make one appointment with one of these free counselors that will help you do that and help you with any other part of starting a business.

00:28:12.963 --> 00:28:13.983
I don't know the legal stuff.

00:28:14.114 --> 00:28:15.503
They'll help you and give you free help for that.

00:28:15.763 --> 00:28:16.784
I don't know about marketing.

00:28:16.784 --> 00:28:18.824
I don't know how new taxes they help you do all that.

00:28:19.523 --> 00:28:24.354
That's the key because, also they, they're tuned in more to the.

00:28:24.709 --> 00:28:30.028
The current programs where you live, you know, so that's what it's a mentor.

00:28:30.038 --> 00:28:32.848
These are free mentors to start a business.

00:28:33.009 --> 00:28:34.148
That's where you want to start.

00:28:34.378 --> 00:28:40.659
And when you call them up, you don't ask for money because if you ask for money, a lot of them don't have money, but they help you find money.

00:28:41.179 --> 00:28:43.648
So, if you call up Kanye, I want money to start a business.

00:28:44.848 --> 00:28:45.999
And, what's better?

00:28:45.999 --> 00:28:47.618
Say, Hey, I wanna start a business.

00:28:47.618 --> 00:28:48.338
Can you help me?

00:28:49.048 --> 00:28:50.098
That's all you have to say.

00:28:50.449 --> 00:28:57.499
Yeah, can I make an appointment to talk to someone there about getting help to start my business or my invention or my non-profit?

00:28:58.088 --> 00:29:00.788
or I wanna work at home and I'm not sure how to do that.

00:29:00.848 --> 00:29:02.169
All that help is free.

00:29:02.169 --> 00:29:02.979
How do you find them?

00:29:03.489 --> 00:29:04.179
The best places?

00:29:04.179 --> 00:29:09.568
Go to sba.gov/local.

00:29:11.598 --> 00:29:16.020
And this is all, small letters, local assistance, sba.

00:29:16.020 --> 00:29:22.628
gov slash local assistance.

00:29:23.868 --> 00:29:31.179
And you'll see, you put in your zip code, and you'll see there'll be 10, 20, 30, like there's 20 organizations in my city.

00:29:31.699 --> 00:29:34.868
That are non profit and I'll sit down and help you think through your idea.

00:29:35.348 --> 00:29:37.009
Now, it's not SBA money.

00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:38.169
It's not about that.

00:29:38.449 --> 00:29:41.019
See, there's very little free money at the SBA.

00:29:41.398 --> 00:29:46.048
But they have the database of people that help you start a business.

00:29:46.138 --> 00:29:55.138
and sort of like, the 5, 000 you had, that was a non profit organization that probably got grant money to give out and also train you to help you start your business, right?

00:29:55.378 --> 00:29:56.999
It was a state, it was a state program.

00:29:57.358 --> 00:29:58.778
And I assume that.

00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:00.959
They say, okay, right.

00:30:01.038 --> 00:30:03.528
So, and that's what you want.

00:30:03.909 --> 00:30:07.138
You want to help, to do that, to see the landscape.

00:30:07.199 --> 00:30:20.179
The problem is that our society is so complicated that You could say yes to anything and no to everything, and that's why people pick out little bits and pieces of anything and say, Oh, that's bad because of this.

00:30:20.179 --> 00:30:21.509
Sure, you can find bad things.

00:30:21.798 --> 00:30:24.989
You can find bad things about me or good things or whatever.

00:30:25.058 --> 00:30:27.388
And we pick it apart and say, everything's like that.

00:30:27.388 --> 00:30:28.229
And that's stupid.

00:30:28.679 --> 00:30:32.778
but it sells books and that's what happens.

00:30:32.779 --> 00:30:39.548
And that's what to do is because you got to get input about your options and you don't know your options.

00:30:40.074 --> 00:30:42.263
Attractions and look in the Internet.

00:30:42.443 --> 00:30:46.104
The only options you're going to find are people that sell you an option.

00:30:46.693 --> 00:30:47.993
So you don't want to find them.

00:30:48.054 --> 00:30:55.374
So you got to talk to the nonprofit organizations to find about nonprofit options on how you could do this.

00:30:55.723 --> 00:31:00.594
And that's the way you get the intelligence that's necessary to do this.

00:31:00.923 --> 00:31:01.624
You can't do it.

00:31:01.753 --> 00:31:19.693
Read a website and think, you know, understand exactly what it is, but more importantly, that person in that website, even if you're not eligible, are the best people to talk to, to find out who is more likely to help you because they're in this circle all the time.

00:31:19.894 --> 00:31:22.604
Like me talking to you about real estate, because you do this all the time.

00:31:22.653 --> 00:31:26.243
So I go to Google and put in real estate, What am I going to get?

00:31:27.403 --> 00:31:27.683
Exactly.

00:31:28.993 --> 00:31:40.394
So Matt, do you find that there's particular sectors within government that are more abundant right now or some emerging trends within them that where they're funding more and providing more?

00:31:40.423 --> 00:31:41.114
What are those?

00:31:43.463 --> 00:31:46.384
You just spoke about, appliances, right?

00:31:47.354 --> 00:31:48.663
Energy appliances.

00:31:48.864 --> 00:31:49.304
Yeah.

00:31:49.614 --> 00:31:50.193
That's a new program.

00:31:50.433 --> 00:31:52.153
That was, the, I.

00:31:52.153 --> 00:31:52.453
R.

00:31:52.453 --> 00:31:52.874
A.

00:31:54.384 --> 00:31:57.013
That was passed two years ago.

00:31:57.124 --> 00:32:05.124
They're finally giving out the money, and this is 14, 000 for appliances, in homes in about three or four states.

00:32:05.124 --> 00:32:08.034
I don't know if, your state has this money yet.

00:32:08.733 --> 00:32:10.493
There's only a handful, but it will be.

00:32:10.919 --> 00:32:23.249
So that's what you want to look at, particularly in the housing business, because you as a real estate, investor or landlord or all this kind of stuff, this is for new appliances or homeowners and it's 14 grand.

00:32:23.804 --> 00:32:25.854
And it's to make you more energy efficient.

00:32:25.864 --> 00:32:31.794
So whether you need a new stove or a water heater or all these kinds of stuff, huge amount of money.

00:32:32.203 --> 00:32:42.223
and that you find by going to your state department of energy, the way I find it, I go, energy.

00:32:42.574 --> 00:32:48.894
gov, and you want to find your state, let me see if I can find it.

00:32:49.003 --> 00:32:49.253
Yeah.

00:32:49.253 --> 00:32:49.683
Energy.

00:32:49.963 --> 00:32:51.814
gov and then stay.

00:32:55.788 --> 00:32:57.028
I don't know if I'm going to get that.

00:32:57.919 --> 00:32:58.328
Yeah.

00:32:58.489 --> 00:32:59.528
Well, if you search energy.

00:32:59.798 --> 00:33:01.449
gov and then state office.

00:33:02.598 --> 00:33:03.778
Yeah.

00:33:04.058 --> 00:33:09.959
So, you know, I do find that there's a lot in the energy space right now.

00:33:10.009 --> 00:33:21.939
I have some friends actually, one of them who I'm hoping to have on a show soon he's built a whole business model, somewhat similar to yours, except he does the work for companies, particularly real estate owners.

00:33:22.278 --> 00:33:27.798
Where they go and they look for the monies to help them make their buildings more energy efficient.

00:33:27.818 --> 00:33:42.108
So they'll go and put in, geothermal heating and new roofs and new windows and insulation and lighting, and they'll have it all covered by a government and, department or a nonprofit or another company that's coming.

00:33:42.278 --> 00:33:42.648
Right.

00:33:43.499 --> 00:33:47.628
And so, so there, I am finding that there's a ton of opportunity there.

00:33:47.628 --> 00:33:47.699
Right.

00:33:48.159 --> 00:33:56.409
You know, I think what's remarkable about you is you hit the consumer like you mentioned at the beginning you You really make this I want to help to a normal human being.

00:33:56.778 --> 00:33:57.868
Yeah, not a big company.

00:33:57.909 --> 00:33:58.318
Yeah.

00:33:58.848 --> 00:34:09.474
Yeah, so Here's another thing particularly my market People who can't afford living expenses, you know, and are you online now?

00:34:09.884 --> 00:34:10.233
I am.

00:34:10.233 --> 00:34:11.423
Can you go online now?

00:34:11.853 --> 00:34:11.974
Sure.

00:34:11.974 --> 00:34:14.403
Okay, go to findhelp.

00:34:14.454 --> 00:34:15.014
org.

00:34:16.114 --> 00:34:16.653
Findhelp.

00:34:16.653 --> 00:34:16.684
org.

00:34:16.684 --> 00:34:19.684
F I N D, yeah.

00:34:19.693 --> 00:34:24.974
I'm just putting my zip code.

00:34:24.974 --> 00:34:27.753
Okay, put in your zip code, yeah.

00:34:29.893 --> 00:34:30.364
Okay.

00:34:30.833 --> 00:34:35.454
And now on the left hand corner up on top on the left, put in rent.

00:34:35.583 --> 00:34:37.503
So you're looking for money to pay for rent.

00:34:37.724 --> 00:34:41.253
So you're a landlord and your people can't pay rent, okay?

00:34:41.344 --> 00:34:41.704
Yeah.

00:34:41.704 --> 00:34:41.768
Okay.

00:34:42.809 --> 00:34:43.418
Put in rent.

00:34:43.728 --> 00:34:44.309
Oh, wow.

00:34:44.478 --> 00:34:45.429
Yeah search.

00:34:45.998 --> 00:34:46.478
Yeah.

00:34:46.768 --> 00:34:47.958
How many how many?

00:34:48.778 --> 00:34:59.878
Oh, there's 75 on top how many yeah, 75 75 non profit organizations in your Zip code that help pay rent.

00:35:01.228 --> 00:35:04.353
I know a lot of churches Nonprofit, right?

00:35:04.353 --> 00:35:06.563
And that's why people I can't pay.

00:35:06.773 --> 00:35:10.193
Well, I checked for a rent grant and they said I had no money.

00:35:10.454 --> 00:35:12.434
You're 75 fucking places.

00:35:12.773 --> 00:35:13.054
Yeah.

00:35:13.463 --> 00:35:19.364
and that's what we have to teach people that there's not just one source for everything.

00:35:19.614 --> 00:35:20.753
It's sort of like getting a job.

00:35:20.873 --> 00:35:23.333
Well, I called that company work and they're not a job.

00:35:24.003 --> 00:35:30.063
Hiring you don't go home and not call anybody else or dating or anything like that.

00:35:30.094 --> 00:35:31.164
There's 75.

00:35:31.844 --> 00:35:32.114
Yeah.

00:35:32.143 --> 00:35:36.489
I mean, that's the day Database you want to know about findhelp.

00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:47.349
org and for you want to get a new career, put in job training, go back on, you know, go back, yeah, job training, you know what I mean?

00:35:47.349 --> 00:35:50.088
Go back, get a new put job training.

00:35:53.443 --> 00:35:57.423
yeah, there's 279 resources right there in Denver, Colorado.

00:35:57.543 --> 00:35:57.994
Wow.

00:35:58.384 --> 00:36:03.884
279 non profit organizations, government offices that help you with job training.

00:36:03.884 --> 00:36:05.173
279.

00:36:05.173 --> 00:36:06.673
Are there that many people in Colorado?

00:36:08.673 --> 00:36:09.543
Just a couple more.

00:36:10.114 --> 00:36:11.434
But wow, it's amazing.

00:36:11.643 --> 00:36:12.833
Culinary training.

00:36:12.833 --> 00:36:14.153
I mean, you name it here.

00:36:14.204 --> 00:36:17.844
the abundance that we have access to.

00:36:18.083 --> 00:36:18.643
Amazing.

00:36:19.204 --> 00:36:30.054
You know, and I can see how, for those of us who are pretty blessed, this might also be a great resource to reverse engineer it and look up if you want to get involved with something.

00:36:30.563 --> 00:36:30.804
Absolutely.

00:36:31.514 --> 00:36:33.483
Why not do it the other way, right?

00:36:33.523 --> 00:36:39.643
I mean, if I'm having a good month and I want to donate some money to somebody who needs rental assistance.

00:36:40.449 --> 00:36:43.329
Why not contact, I mean, a lot of these are churches and non profits.

00:36:43.989 --> 00:36:44.829
Call them up and say, Hey.

00:36:44.829 --> 00:36:45.309
Absolutely.

00:36:45.409 --> 00:36:46.628
Can I donate to this program?

00:36:46.898 --> 00:36:50.889
Here, here's another thing too, I think it's good, like people say, Oh, I want to do something in the community.

00:36:50.938 --> 00:36:51.168
Okay.

00:36:51.168 --> 00:36:56.889
If you want to do something like that, you go to these organizations and go volunteer for these people, see how it's done.

00:36:57.148 --> 00:36:57.518
Exactly.

00:36:57.878 --> 00:36:58.208
Yeah.

00:36:58.528 --> 00:36:58.849
Yeah.

00:36:59.048 --> 00:37:05.268
And start learning the system instead of raising money and doing something you have no idea how to do it.

00:37:05.489 --> 00:37:05.509
Yeah.

00:37:05.518 --> 00:37:06.309
When these people are.

00:37:06.583 --> 00:37:07.784
been doing it for 20 years.

00:37:07.784 --> 00:37:08.483
Yeah, that's right.

00:37:08.643 --> 00:37:11.684
And oftentimes it's much better to just do it with somebody who's been doing it for 20.

00:37:11.753 --> 00:37:12.034
Wow.

00:37:12.684 --> 00:37:13.184
Okay.

00:37:13.634 --> 00:37:14.733
this has been great, Matthew.

00:37:14.733 --> 00:37:20.454
I really appreciate you being here and I've learned a lot just if nothing else, go into that website, findhelp.

00:37:20.494 --> 00:37:21.043
org.

00:37:21.653 --> 00:37:25.405
we have a newsletter that we put out weekly and I'm going to make sure I put that in there.

00:37:25.405 --> 00:37:33.255
I put, my own wayfinder for, which you'll be going through yours in a minute, but, I'm going to put that one on there this week, this coming week, cause, what a great resource.

00:37:33.284 --> 00:37:33.655
Yeah.

00:37:33.655 --> 00:37:40.054
And tell them about getting free help to start a business, gov slash local.

00:37:40.590 --> 00:37:41.599
Dash assistant.

00:37:42.309 --> 00:37:43.920
Yeah, that's very helpful.

00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.170
So, well, Matthew, on that note, let's get into our world famous Wayfinder four.

00:37:50.789 --> 00:37:52.659
So if you can share with us.

00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:53.630
Oh, four.

00:37:53.630 --> 00:37:53.829
Okay.

00:37:54.269 --> 00:37:54.829
What is it?

00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:57.360
if we can get, share with us a hack.

00:37:57.420 --> 00:37:59.260
Now you've already given us quite a few.

00:37:59.420 --> 00:38:02.429
Hack is just like a, you know, something helpful, a shortcut.

00:38:02.489 --> 00:38:07.309
the hack to me is your heart is smarter than your brain.

00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:12.530
Tell us more about that.

00:38:13.369 --> 00:38:27.940
Well, we all think if we only had the right steps to be success, if someone gives us the right thing, you know, to get what I want, there is no right thing.

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:28.820
We're all different.

00:38:29.409 --> 00:38:29.599
Yeah.

00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:34.030
And what happens is we try those things and there's probably going to fail.

00:38:34.030 --> 00:38:42.039
So we think it's not worth doing that, but anything you do is probably going to fail, even if it's the right thing for you.

00:38:42.489 --> 00:38:43.190
And that's why.

00:38:44.155 --> 00:38:53.824
If you're you have to realize that anything new you're going to do, you're going to fall on your ass and probably a dozen times 100 times or whatever it is.

00:38:54.034 --> 00:38:56.655
So that's why your heart has to be there.

00:38:57.244 --> 00:39:01.014
You want to have to be there to get through that stuff.

00:39:01.085 --> 00:39:02.925
Otherwise, you have the first.

00:39:03.264 --> 00:39:04.425
Bad day.

00:39:04.655 --> 00:39:06.224
You have to stay to figure it out.

00:39:06.414 --> 00:39:08.085
Same the personal relationships.

00:39:08.324 --> 00:39:16.704
You have to have something bigger between you and your lover, whatever, that keeps you together, that you'll get through all the bad stuff.

00:39:16.704 --> 00:39:19.304
I mean, the life is we're human.

00:39:19.809 --> 00:39:21.909
And that means we're going to fuck up a lot.

00:39:22.389 --> 00:39:22.539
Yeah.

00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:23.420
Yeah.

00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:23.679
Thank you.

00:39:23.690 --> 00:39:24.389
All of us.

00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:29.639
And yet, to get through that, your heart has to be there, you know?

00:39:30.030 --> 00:39:30.440
Yeah.

00:39:30.630 --> 00:39:34.630
Because if it isn't, you're going to stop and start something else that's not going to do.

00:39:36.170 --> 00:39:37.519
So Matthew, give us a favorite.

00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:41.480
This could be a book, a show, an activity, whatever.

00:39:44.289 --> 00:39:50.010
Well, I was a short, fat kid.

00:39:51.739 --> 00:39:54.019
I'm six foot and like a hundred pounds.

00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:57.190
But I fight this every day of my life.

00:39:57.289 --> 00:40:02.280
and I started running when I got out of the Navy, 25 or something like that, 24.

00:40:03.219 --> 00:40:04.860
exercise is probably the most.

00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:06.309
important thing I've done in my life.

00:40:06.309 --> 00:40:06.889
I still do it.

00:40:07.139 --> 00:40:09.010
I still go an hour, two hours or whatever.

00:40:09.809 --> 00:40:11.969
And I don't build muscles and stuff like that.

00:40:11.969 --> 00:40:14.849
It's just really to live as hard as I can.

00:40:15.369 --> 00:40:17.630
the food we eat in this country is so bad.

00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:18.579
It's so easy.

00:40:19.389 --> 00:40:22.590
I fight weight every second of my life.

00:40:22.789 --> 00:40:26.630
People see me and they see that cow, but I'm ready.

00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.809
There's a fat kid trying to get out every day.

00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:32.630
Yeah.

00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:45.969
And if it wasn't for exercise, man, and now what keeps me trying to stay thin is those 25 pairs of skinny jeans I have in the other room.

00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:48.269
Okay.

00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:50.150
That's your big wife.

00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:57.530
If I put in more weight, If I put on more weight, I'm going to have to invest in a whole shitload of wardrobe.

00:40:57.699 --> 00:40:58.559
Are you a runner, Matthew?

00:40:59.329 --> 00:40:59.809
Yeah.

00:41:01.829 --> 00:41:04.349
Well, I'm not, I don't compete at anything.

00:41:04.349 --> 00:41:06.670
It just was a way to do that.

00:41:06.670 --> 00:41:08.639
And now I can't run my age.

00:41:08.809 --> 00:41:09.889
I just trip too much.

00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:11.219
I fall down my nose.

00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:12.440
I don't know why.

00:41:13.250 --> 00:41:24.539
And so I turned into a walker the last couple of years but that doesn't give me any kind of, so now I use a, a, a clips, know, machine, those things, at least wake up a sweat.

00:41:24.769 --> 00:41:30.000
Why can't get a sweat, you know, so I do the ellipse for an hour and then I do some weights.

00:41:30.329 --> 00:41:35.519
the weights help now, I never did a lot of weights before, but that helps me with balance and a lot of stuff.

00:41:36.219 --> 00:41:37.539
Exercise is so important.

00:41:38.659 --> 00:41:41.489
So, Matthew, give us a piece of advice for your younger self.

00:41:44.250 --> 00:41:52.420
My younger self, I wish I knew about more about love.

00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:57.375
I mean, growing up in the fifties, you know, I never even said the word.

00:41:57.684 --> 00:41:58.965
I don't even run a house.

00:41:58.965 --> 00:41:59.335
We did.

00:41:59.344 --> 00:42:01.735
We're all nice people, but we never said it.

00:42:02.255 --> 00:42:08.335
as I was growing in my younger self, I used to think that if I said love to somebody, I had to marry them.

00:42:08.385 --> 00:42:11.054
Maybe that's why married three times.

00:42:12.235 --> 00:42:16.344
and now I see.

00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.969
It's the nicest thing to do, and that's why even in Let's Go Help, what we're doing is trying to love each other.

00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:28.119
We help each other get these grants and money and things like that in a loving way.

00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:33.889
that's why if I love even saying the word now, it makes my heart grow.

00:42:34.905 --> 00:42:49.574
Somehow, I don't understand it, or whatever, like I say, this is only the last few years I really noticed this, and what I realize now at my age, and I wish I knew it Earlier is that your heart.

00:42:49.605 --> 00:42:51.065
I can't run as fast anymore.

00:42:51.065 --> 00:42:51.315
Okay.

00:42:52.295 --> 00:42:56.094
I can't be a strong anymore, even get stronger.

00:42:56.094 --> 00:42:57.775
I can't even think well enough.

00:42:57.775 --> 00:42:58.414
Most of the time.

00:42:59.224 --> 00:43:02.275
So none of that's going to get better, but I could love heart.

00:43:03.135 --> 00:43:05.014
You know, that's one thing I could keep doing.

00:43:05.764 --> 00:43:06.945
And I wish I knew that earlier.

00:43:07.425 --> 00:43:14.054
Earlier to grow that heart because that's what makes life, your life feel so much better.

00:43:14.505 --> 00:43:15.494
How much you could love.

00:43:17.155 --> 00:43:17.755
that's great.

00:43:19.195 --> 00:43:20.605
What about last one?

00:43:20.605 --> 00:43:28.344
You get to pick between a big opportunity or a limiting belief or a what?

00:43:28.664 --> 00:43:29.505
Limiting belief.

00:43:30.945 --> 00:43:35.460
Oh, is that like, just something that you believe, I would believe that holds you back.

00:43:37.795 --> 00:43:44.074
pick one and, oh, oh, yeah, the only thing holding me back is me.

00:43:47.034 --> 00:43:52.284
And that's what there's nobody in the world that really gets up every day to say, well, I'm going to fuck over.

00:43:52.284 --> 00:43:53.065
Let's go today.

00:43:53.425 --> 00:44:02.775
And that, but that's what we think, you know, when we get screwed over, and that's just life, you know, how, how do you, Get rid of that feeling of persecution.

00:44:02.775 --> 00:44:08.625
The world is after you and think they're not and dwelling too much in that really is wasted energy.

00:44:08.625 --> 00:44:11.065
It makes you defensive and closes your heart.

00:44:12.114 --> 00:44:14.985
So that's, what's going to close your heart feeling that.

00:44:15.264 --> 00:44:16.815
So you have to get rid of it.

00:44:16.844 --> 00:44:19.094
They don't get up just trying to piss you off.

00:44:21.105 --> 00:44:23.445
they're struggling through life anyway.

00:44:23.445 --> 00:44:28.835
And that's why I also believe that what gives us the audacity.

00:44:29.630 --> 00:44:36.409
To tell anybody else how to live their life when we're struggling every day ourselves, how to live our life.

00:44:36.409 --> 00:44:38.889
Yeah.

00:44:38.889 --> 00:44:39.929
So we have no right.

00:44:40.275 --> 00:44:42.005
To tell anybody else how to live her life.

00:44:42.045 --> 00:44:44.184
They're struggling doing the best they can.

00:44:46.085 --> 00:44:48.414
And I think love is really that.

00:44:48.454 --> 00:44:58.144
It's helping people you love to help them do whatever they think they want to do.

00:44:58.184 --> 00:44:59.054
Not what you think.

00:44:59.114 --> 00:44:59.844
Anybody wants to do.

00:44:59.855 --> 00:45:01.025
There's going to be bad parts, right?

00:45:01.605 --> 00:45:06.204
and who's to say that they don't, that should stop them.

00:45:06.204 --> 00:45:09.505
And that's a problem with loved ones.

00:45:10.510 --> 00:45:13.650
You know, their family and stuff like they want to control you and tell you what to do.

00:45:13.650 --> 00:45:14.750
And this is bad.

00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:15.460
You're going to fall.

00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:16.050
You're going to fail.

00:45:16.309 --> 00:45:20.260
Yes, because that's how you grow when you fall and you fail.

00:45:20.489 --> 00:45:22.329
It's sort of like learning to walk.

00:45:22.929 --> 00:45:26.550
So if you have children and you told the kid when he was trying to walk, don't do that.

00:45:26.550 --> 00:45:30.050
You're going to fall.

00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:31.659
Then he'd be pushing around on a wheelchair.

00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:34.960
so the same as growing up, don't do that.

00:45:34.989 --> 00:45:35.659
Don't quit your job.

00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:36.260
You're going to fail.

00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:36.920
Yes.

00:45:37.489 --> 00:45:38.690
So you just say, yes.

00:45:39.664 --> 00:45:42.405
To them and you dismiss the that's great.

00:45:43.675 --> 00:45:45.894
Well, Matthew, thank you for being here.

00:45:46.025 --> 00:45:51.255
I wonder if our listeners want to know more about you, get your resources, how, how can you go about doing that?

00:45:54.094 --> 00:45:54.105
leskohelp.

00:45:54.105 --> 00:46:00.454
com, lesko, L E S K O H E L P dot com.

00:46:02.155 --> 00:46:04.235
Find help is probably a better place to start.

00:46:04.235 --> 00:46:04.914
They won't charge you.

00:46:04.974 --> 00:46:06.295
I'm going to charge you 20.

00:46:07.005 --> 00:46:07.405
Okay.

00:46:07.684 --> 00:46:08.215
Well worth it.

00:46:09.554 --> 00:46:10.425
Thank you, Matthew.

00:46:10.635 --> 00:46:13.034
you've helped a lot of people, including myself.

00:46:13.164 --> 00:46:17.684
You've left a lasting impression and, it's a real honor to have so thank you for being here.

00:46:19.565 --> 00:46:23.114
I'm having the best time of my life at 80 and I can't wait to do more.

00:46:29.217 --> 00:46:30.978
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