Clean Start with Amber Kliphouse

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I just want everyone to know you can have a clean start no matter what.

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It doesn't have to be, you know, a suicide survivor to that extreme.

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It could be starting a new job.

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It could be starting college.

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It could be, you know, leaving a abusive household.

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It could be just becoming a mom for the first time or a dad.

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Like anyone can have a clean start.

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Don't give up on yourself, you know, continue to push through.

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You really can be surprised what you're capable of when you're like pushed to your limits.

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Welcome to The Wayfinder Show with Luis Hernandez, where guests discuss the why and how of making changes that lead them down a more authentic path or allow them to level up in some area of their life.

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Our goal is to dig deep and provide not only knowledge, but actionable advice to help you get from where you are to where you want to be.

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Come join us and find the way to your dream life.

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Welcome back to The Wayfinder Show.

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I'm your host, Louis Hernandez.

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And today we're joined by Amber Cliphouse.

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Amber is the author of Clean Start, a teen mom's journey from suicide survivor to real estate investor.

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Amber is a bonafide badass, and her story is one of resilience and transformation, rising from life's toughest challenges to building success in real estate.

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She's here to share her journey and powerful lessons she's learned along the way.

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Amber, welcome to The Wayfinder Show.

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for having me.

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Yeah, thank you.

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I've been wanting to make this happen for a while because like I was mentioning before we got started, uh, you're well, there's two reasons why one is because we have a mutual friend who connected us, right?

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Mark Owens is one of our first guests.

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And, uh, you know, talk about somebody who's been through some stuff and still come back and, and just, uh, really achieved great things in life.

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He's one of them and, and you have too.

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So I, I love that.

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And it also is like the original purpose of our show was to inspire people who are kind of going through it and let them know, Hey, you can go through stuff and still get out and, and really succeed in life.

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Right?

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Sure.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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So let's start with your journey.

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Let's start from the beginning.

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Let's go back to when you were 16 years old or before you were 16 years old at that point you decided to To leave your home, right?

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Did you just run away?

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Yeah, just run away.

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It wasn't I wasn't rebelling Um, I I don't like to bash my mom.

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She wasn't really equipped to be a mom She always chose whatever men in her life first So it was a very toxic, um, relationship.

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I struggle with depression very early on.

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I'm very open about that in my book.

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A lot of people kind of hush it.

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It's a little more known now, but, um, I was struggling to, um, stay alive and I knew to survive, I needed to run away and go back with my grandma.

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Um, so that's what I did.

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I ran away when I was 16.

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Okay.

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And you were in Baltimore?

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Um, yes.

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Well, I was living in Baltimore with my mom.

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Second husband, her third husband.

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We moved to Glen Burnie.

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Um, it's a little complex.

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It makes sense in the book, but she took me away from like my grandmother, my sister, everyone I ever knew.

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We moved to Anne Arundel County and I didn't know anyone there.

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Um, there were some pretty dark times there.

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Um, once we moved to a new County, new place, and I was very depressed.

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I went to Shepherd Pratt.

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I, um, tried to commit suicide.

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It was just a very dark time for me.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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So you mentioned your mother.

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You didn't mention your father.

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So were you raised by a single mom as well?

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Um, my father left before I could even remember.

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I probably seen him three, four, maybe five times.

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Um, so she was never single.

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Like I said, she always had like a husband or abusive spouse of some sort.

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So we were kind of bounced around and every, um, man that was in her life, she would have me call dad, which was super unfortunate and confusing for, you know, a young girl without her real father.

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Um, but yeah, it was just her and whatever husband at the time.

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Yeah.

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And what about your grandmother?

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Um, my grandmother was one tough badass.

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I mean, she.

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She was, you know, the type that says how it is.

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There's no sugarcoating it.

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My sister actually ran away when she was eight, and she was living with my grandmom.

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Yeah, she's three years old.

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So you were a late bloomer.

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Yeah.

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Well, I had a younger brother, and I didn't want to leave him.

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I felt like my maternal instincts kicked in very, very early.

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Um, my brother's three years younger than me, so I was the middle child.

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My sister left.

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His father was very abusive, and I just stayed to kind of like protect him.

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Um, it wasn't until my mom's third husband, he was not abusive at all.

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Um, but there was some other stuff going on.

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But when I knew my brother was old enough to fend for himself, and it was like my life in hands because I was becoming suicidal, I knew I had to get out if I wanted to like live another day, unfortunately.

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But he was strong enough.

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He actually joined the army he left to when he was 18.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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So, so then you.

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I mean, you know, the first thing that comes to mind that's interesting is, uh, well, I guess on your grandmother's side, did you have a grandfather, too, that was involved?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I did.

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He died, um, I don't remember what year, but I guess the last decade my grandma was alive, he was not.

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But he was in the picture very early on, like I remember going and visiting him when we were younger, when I was still living at home, but when I ran away, he wasn't alive anymore.

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It was just my grandma.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I only, I, later on we're going to talk about your, your husband and, uh, but I, I'm curious, you, you kind of broke a cycle there, you know?

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Yeah.

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Which is interesting, right?

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What was that like?

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It was really hard, right?

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Because I, again, I didn't want to leave my little brother.

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I did not, I was very committed to taking care of him and holding him when the fights happened, when the abuse happened.

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Um, but again, it was just And I just, I knew I did not want to repeat that life and continue to live that way.

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And I, you know, my life was precious and it was really, it was like life or death situation.

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I know it sounds extreme, but I was, I tried to commit suicide on more than one occasion.

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Sure.

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And, um, I just, I had to survive and, you know, find my own clean start.

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Yeah.

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Well, I guess what I meant with that was you now have, uh, you've been married for a number of years now, right?

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We've only been married since 2022.

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We've been together for 17 years now.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, so you've been a couple for a long time and, uh, and it sounds like you've, you know, we'll get more into that, but I mean, you, you kind of broke the cycle.

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You mentioned your mother, you know, uh, was with different men or her.

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Time and everything and you you got you have one really good solid relationship now I'm sure you have your ups and downs like all of us do but you know for the most part you get How and when we don't have that example, it's it can be hard, right?

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Like we don't know what a successful Relationship looks like sure, right?

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How?

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And what love was and you know create it on our own.

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So yeah, it's definitely something if you're not taught It's hard to figure it out, you know on your own.

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Yeah Yeah, what, what, what do you, how, how, what, what were the influences that, Um, so again, I don't know if you want to jump to the second part, but after I ran away, I went with my grandma and I kind of went through the rebelling teenage stage and I got pregnant and, um, my, I was 17 when I got pregnant and my son's father actually committed suicide.

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Oh.

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And, um, when I was 18, my son was six months old and I found him hanging in a tree.

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So that was another, um, you know, start over clean start, so to speak.

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It wasn't so clean at the time, but I had to, again, I felt like when I left my brother again, you know, two years prior, I had to do that again.

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My son, Stevie, he's 19 now, but we've come a long way.

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So I had to pick up the pieces again.

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And, you know, without being able to pick up the phone and call my mom, I had to just find the strength within myself and have a clean start to raise this baby I was now responsible for.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so you think, like, so that was really ultimately the maternal instinct, like, as you put it, kicking in.

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That led to all that, right?

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You were just trying to be a good mother, whether it was for your brother or your son, it seemed like.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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So, so you, just doing the math as you're going, um, it sounds like your current husband, um, came into the picture when your son was about two years old.

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Yep, yep, he's done it since he was two.

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So he's really a dad for him.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, he's 100 percent his father.

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Yeah, he's, he had a two year old daughter, uh, strange enough.

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My son has blonde hair, blue eyes, I'm not sure if your listeners will be able to see, but I have dark hair, dark skin.

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Yeah.

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And his daughter, um, at two, she has blonde hair, blue eyes.

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So everyone thought growing up they were twins.

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And if we never see them again, we're like, yeah, they're twins.

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It's just too complicated.

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They're six months apart, but it's crazy the way fate happens to work out.

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And, um, it's crazy.

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Yeah.

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And do they love each other like brother, sister?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, they do.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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So how did, how did he come into the mix?

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Justin, it's embarrassing, but I met him on MySpace.

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Okay.

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Oh man, MySpace.

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I know.

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I know.

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So for people who don't know, that was like a predecessor of Facebook, right?

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Right.

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Way before Facebook.

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Yeah.

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Um, he messaged me.

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Um, I wasn't a type to like date a lot because of my mom's history.

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And I was trying to be like, you know, strong single mom vibes.

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But I thought I knew his sister in photos, like when I looked at his photos.

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Um, we ended up talking on the phone and I didn't know his sister, but still we had a great connection.

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We talked for a long time and we met at a club and I haven't left him since.

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Okay.

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Wow.

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Cool.

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So, uh, so you guys blended your families.

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Um, yeah.

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Good.

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So, so let's talk about.

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Cool.

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Um, another side of, of your journey, clean start or not the book, but I guess the cleaning business, you got into a cleaning business, right?

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How did, what was that all like?

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So when I, cause my husband, I don't, I came with extra, extra baggage, you know, single mom, just my son and I, um, he was co parenting his daughter with the mom.

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Um, but it was just me and Stevie and I worked for a cleaning company, uh, around November, like the year we met, the guy just shut down the company.

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Like, he changed his number.

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He, um, cleared out the whole office.

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And at the time I was a head cleaner because I worked there for a while and I was pretty well known.

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A lot of people requested me and I was devastated.

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Right.

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It was right before Christmas.

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I'm like.

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I just felt like I kept getting knocked down, like knocked down after knockdown.

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Sure.

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I didn't make the best choices.

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Right.

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But I was trying to be the best mom and just survive in this life.

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And, um, he, Justin was like, my husband now was like, why don't you just start your own cleaning company?

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I'm like, I can't do that.

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It's like, you don't know how to clean.

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I'm like, I mean, I do, but like, what am I going to do?

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It's like get bonded and short and just.

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clients.

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And I did, I knock on the doors and called and I was able to run the cleaning company for 15 years.

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single handedly.

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I never hired anybody.

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I didn't trust them enough.

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Um, working with the previous cleaning company, people steal.

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And my clients were like family cause they took me on at my darkest time.

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They were familiar with my story, Stevie's dad.

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Um, so they were family to me.

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So I just took care of that myself.

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Oh wow.

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Okay.

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Interesting.

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So, So it never, do you think, um, that, you know, oftentimes that keeps, like, how'd you get out?

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Let's put it that way.

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You, you, it was your own business, but you were doing everything.

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So, you know, you were the individual contributor as well as the business owner.

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Well, like I said, they were like family.

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So they understood, like they knew Justin started getting a real estate.

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He was working, um, you know, a W2 job at Domino's sugar around COVID.

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He got his real estate license, um, started looking into like podcasts, listening to become an investor.

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Um, so it was already like on the works, like we were making this shift, but he was kind of stepping into it.

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He supported me to start my own company.

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So when he's like, I'm going to leave my job.

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Which was, you know, good income, unlimited overtime benefits.

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I had to support him because he's, you know, supported me all those years ago.

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Um, But once he found the flow of real estate and started investing in rentals, um, I saw that it would be beneficial if I kind of teamed up with him, with the lead calling.

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And for those who don't know Lee Collins, when you call to buy the house that people are trying to sell, and I kind of use my maternal role because it's a very intimate phone call.

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A lot of people are just, you know, really.

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Trying to be aggressive to buy their house, but people are selling their house because they have a problem, right?

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Like they're going through a divorce or they inherited or someone died.

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It's a very Unfortunate side of things but it needs to be done.

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So I kind of let my clients know like hey I'm not gonna be working this many hours or this many days a week because i'm doing this Um, they knew eventually the transition would happen and I prepared them and they supported me all the way up until the end, until I had, I was doing maybe two houses a week, then one house, and then they just.

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Kind of let me go.

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Oh wow.

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Okay.

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So, so now you, you and him, are you and your husband are basically partners in business as well now and just doing the real estate investment thing?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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How does that breakdown happen?

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Um, so now I'm more so the property manager.

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I don't do lead calling anymore.

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I just kind of deal with, you know, um, tenant issues or.

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Rents and that kind of thing.

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You know, all the fun stuff that comes with property management.

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Um, but honestly the deal was I was gonna stop cleaning and do the lead calling, but that's the time I wrote my book.

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That's the time I was able to find myself to really heal and get to know myself and um, it transpired to something completely different, which I'm grateful for because I wouldn't be as strong and confident as I am today.

00:14:30.953 --> 00:14:31.264
Yeah.

00:14:32.014 --> 00:14:35.333
So in, in the process of writing the book, did you do this?

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With the intention of, of, you know, having a New York times bestseller or was it a healing journey or just to inspire folks?

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Like what, what was the intent there?

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Um, honestly, it was just a healing journey.

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When we were a part of a mastermind group, we would visit.

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Different states quarterly.

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So on the airplane, I would write about just what I thought of seeing my first hockey game or just taking in all these different worlds of entrepreneurism and writing about it.

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And then I started writing about myself and really got to know myself for the first time by journaling.

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And I unlocked so much stuff that I didn't even know was there.

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The front cover of my book is a little girl with a long, dark hallway.

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And, um, I go through every single door, every trauma, every hurt and pain and kind of go in.

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And heal and forgive, forget whatever I need to do and close the door and keep on moving.

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Yeah, wow, that's uh, that's really powerful.

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So, you know, they say, um, Oftentimes when you have like trauma when you're young you kind of stunt your growth, right?

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Like you kind of stop there and you don't progress from it Did you find that writing the journal in the way you did the book in the way you did?

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Kind of help like revisit that so you can regrow.

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Did you was that was that part of it?

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Yeah, definitely.

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Cause when you're, you know, a mom and you're just trying to survive, it's just like, go, go, go.

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And I, I didn't even process a lot of the things that I went through.

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So I think, you know, after writing the book, you know, I think you were the first one to reach out to me.

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The book's been out since last April and I was like, yeah, I want to do it.

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But I was just still dealing with the process of writing the book and finally reading my own story for myself.

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I had a moment of like almost breakdown again.

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I read the book and it was done.

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It was great.

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But I'm like, I can't do this.

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I can't put this out for the world.

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It's too private.

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It's too intimate.

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But I knew if I didn't, it would be a disservice because if I can save one person's life and motivate them to keep going, that's the whole point.

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It's not to be a bestseller.

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It's just to help just one person.

00:16:37.719 --> 00:16:39.859
Yeah, so what's one in there?

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What is one of those doors you uncovered that really?

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That really broke you down when you were rereading it or or even along the way that it just made you stop and Um, probably definitely the suicide for my son's father.

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Um, revisiting that chapter.

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I remember like everything I, I was at the club when it happened.

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Like I'm very open with my readers.

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I'm not, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm human.

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I'm not a robot.

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I'm not perfect by any means.

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Um, Steve, Stevie's father was supposed to be clean at the time he had him.

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Um, I guess he had relapsed once the bar was mom.

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Thank God Steve's sister had got him.

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But I remember that very clear.

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And writing it and rereading it.

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And, um, when I got the phone call, he said he was going to kill himself.

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And I remember feeling my son crying and like, I just went back to that moment.

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And I was, you know, 18 years ago, so long ago.

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And, um, I just remember it so clearly.

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And when I found Steve hanging in the tree, my best friend was with me and she called her mom.

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And I just remember her saying like, mom, Steve hung himself.

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He hung himself.

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And in that moment, I didn't have a mom to call, you know?

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So that was like.

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Damn, I haven't had a mom like my whole life, but I'm still thriving.

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I'm still surviving.

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So that was probably one of the hardest chapters to revisit for sure.

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I bet.

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Um, yeah, no, it's, it's deep stuff.

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It's real stuff, you know, for, I gotta say, I'm, I'm struggling now right now as we're going through, because you actually, um, our listeners don't know, but my, you know, I, I, I have, uh, I, I've been, you know, I didn't have the same circumstances, but like.

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Both of my sisters, they're younger than me.

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They were both teen moms.

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They both went, they both had kids with different fathers and, and such.

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And now I have a niece that is going through that as well.

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Um, so I understand some of the, I mean, I don't understand.

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I, I haven't, you know what I mean?

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But I, I struggle with it all the time.

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So it's like, as you're saying, some of these things is touching base, some of the, your circumstances were theirs and I don't know.

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So what, what do you say to somebody like me who doesn't, you know, we, we haven't gone down that.

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Same road of struggle.

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We might have been in those environments, but we we didn't go into that.

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You know, we weren't suicidal We do have loved ones who were you know, we we weren't the ones who were pregnant or had kids as teenagers or you know Things like that, but we want to help sure, you know So, I mean, I guess it just be open minded a lot of times this world with social media.

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We're so Blinded by filters and just judging right away.

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Like I'm sure a lot of the things like you knew about my story, you knew it would be great, but like, you didn't know if you turn that stone, that was going to be there, you know?

00:19:30.259 --> 00:20:00.348
Well, it's kind of like don't judge a book by it's not that you're judging me by any means but just as To your audience in general like really just try to be patient and understanding and just support one another I feel like this world has become such a dark Judgy place and that's another reason why I wrote my book because there's more behind other people's story Like a lot of people know me from my husband because he's in the real estate world But they had no idea I had this whole story and whole other side That's, you know, forget the houses and stuff for all people with emotions at the end of the day.

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And I feel like everyone has a story, you know?

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Yeah.

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How did building a business help you with your personal, um, you know, evolution and journey?

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For the cleaning business or the real estate side?

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Either one.

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I mean, I imagine that there's things that you go through with building a business that helped you become who you are now, right?

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Like get out of Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah, I'm just building a business with a cleaning company.

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I was, I was 20, I guess when it was up and running like full force.

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And it's so incredible to look back at Amber, 16 runaway to 17 and pregnant to finding, you know, my son's father, 18 and 20 to have my own business, right?

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Like it's so liberating to look back at those hurdles.

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If you just keep going and keep going and push through.

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Um, but building the business has taught me a lot about myself.

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Well, And it's just taught me that, you know, if I can do it, anyone can do it.

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I want to say like it's, if you have a determination to do anything in life, you just got to go for it.

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And it's really motivated me in other areas of my life to kind of just keep going.

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Yeah.

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I wonder, sometimes I think, um, we still define ourselves by who we were.

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Mm hmm.

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And I'm curious as to who you are.

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Yeah.

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Now.

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Who are you?

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How would, how do you, you know, what is your elevator pitch now, as if I were to meet you at a mixer somewhere?

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Yeah, I mean, I would say that I'm a author.

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I would say I'm a, you know, business over business owner.

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I am a wonderful mother and dedicated wife and friend.

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I live life to its fullest.

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I rarely turn down the opportunity to like just live and adventure.

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I'm very outgoing.

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I finally found myself, you know, and I'll tell people that like I, it took a long time, but writing this book, I learned who Amber was.

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It was a healing journey, like I said many times, but it, that's the best way to put it, like, I feel like we should all get to know ourselves and put the filters aside and social media, put the phones down.

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I know it's hard to do, but like really get to know yourself and who you truly are.

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That's great.

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Are there any other like strategies you learned along the way?

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You've obviously mentioned journaling.

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Yeah.

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Um, you know, any, any other, yeah, just strategies you use, you've learned to really help you.

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You know, keep kicking butt Yeah, definitely having a routine in place.

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Um, growing up we didn't have routine, so routine became crucial for me.

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Um, not only journaling, but I, I, um, go to the gym every morning and I journal and, you know, drink my coffee and I put myself first.

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Right.

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And I am not afraid to admit that.

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Years ago, I wouldn't be because I'm a mom, right?

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I should take care of my kids and my husband.

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But like, if I don't fill up my cup first, I can't give to anybody else.

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So now I'm very mindful that I come first and that way I can give my best self to, you know, my husband and my kids and just the world itself, but definitely having routines in place, like journaling, going to the gym, and then what rest of the day kind of follows.

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Where are you going next?

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As far as life, trips, what do you mean?

00:23:23.808 --> 00:23:25.368
Yeah, yeah, life, like what's next?

00:23:25.588 --> 00:23:31.368
When, when looking into the future, where, where to, who is Amber going to be 10 years from now?

00:23:31.979 --> 00:23:38.648
So right now, like my goal, um, for this year and then moving forward is just maintaining all the routines I put in place.

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Like I said, I, um, stopped drinking alcohol.

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I'm coming 500th day.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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And it's really, again, it's just another part of my clean start story.

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I really know who I am without having the substance to cover up, you know, my past or my stress and all that.

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Um, so I'm really truly getting to know myself.

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We are doing our first missions trip in Guatemala coming up in February.

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So I'm super excited about that.

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Um, and I'm homeschooling my youngest son.

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He's eight.

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He's in second grade.

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So I'm really just maintaining the systems I put in place for myself because depression is still within me.

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Right.

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So I need to take care of myself so I can stay out of that dark place.

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I haven't been there in a very long time, but as you know, seasons and things flare up.

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So I'm just focusing on maintaining all the good I brought in my life.

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And I'm not really trying to level up right now.

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I'm just maintaining.

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Okay, cool.

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Any, any like long term goals?

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I want to do coaching school.

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Um, I kind of went at the end of last year.

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My goal was to bring my story and inspire other people who've, you know, are just feeling stuck and feel like they can't do it.

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They don't know where to get started.

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But right now I put a pause on that to focus on homeschooling my son.

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Um, because my other son, Steven is now graduated from high school and Lexi's graduated from high school.

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They're starting their careers.

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So my eight year old is still very much needing me and he is my last baby.

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So I'm trying to like, you know, I'm really enjoying this time, but down the road I definitely want to do coaching.

00:25:15.939 --> 00:25:16.318
Okay.

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Like life coaching.

00:25:17.368 --> 00:25:18.138
Yeah, for sure.

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Awesome.

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Okay, cool.

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What about, um, Um, geez, I kind of, I'm kind of at a blank right now.

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I mean, do you, do you have any demons that you feel like you still have to work on?

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I do.

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I mean, I struggle with my mom, right?

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I mean, it's my mom and being a mom.

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I don't understand.

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Um, my children are my everything, all of them, all three of them.

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I love them to death.

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I don't understand how you can bring something into this world and.

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not worry about them, wonder how they're doing and just reach out.

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I mean, I would spend every last day on earth reaching out to my child if they cut me out, just writing letters and just try.

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So I always like a demon is like my mom and dad, you know, cause I didn't have it.

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And it's so important to Justin and I to be the best parents like we can be.

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So that's, I think it's something I'm always going to struggle with.

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Um, but I'm getting better at it.

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Okay, is your mom still alive?

00:26:20.743 --> 00:26:21.483
Yeah, she is.

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Okay, and you have a relationship with her?

00:26:23.784 --> 00:26:25.173
No, we do not.

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None at all.

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Interesting.

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No, we, she never really, so when I had Stevie, we were like on and off again, of course, when I got pregnant.

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Um, when Steve died, she came around and then she was gone again.

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And then as Stevie was growing up, she, she was like in and out, the picture never consistent.

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She, um, would tell Stevie she would be at his basketball game, just not show up.

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And when he was old enough to, like, get let down by her, I kind of cut her out because I didn't want him growing up with the same thing I grew up with.

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Um, he understands now.

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He can reach out to her if he wanted to, but he has no desire to.

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They did in the past, but she's never been consistent.

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And I guess it's just easier without than being left alone.

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I wonder if she's read the book.

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I'm sure she has.

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I, I mean, I would hope so.

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I forgive her in the book, right?

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I don't bash her.

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I just say, I feel like, personally, as a mom, some people have that mother instinct and some people don't.

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Some people just can't.

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Um, put their selfish ways aside and I kind of sound like a hypocrite because now I'm like, I'm selfish.

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I come first.

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Jim journal.

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But like, it's in a different way.

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Like my children are taken care of.

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They know they're my world.

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They know I love them.

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But again, if I'm not my best self, I can't give them my best self.

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So it's, it's different the way my mom is.

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She's, she is who she is and I forgive her for it.

00:27:50.788 --> 00:27:51.138
Okay.

00:27:52.328 --> 00:27:54.669
Uh, what do you think her reaction to the book would be?

00:27:56.473 --> 00:28:02.784
Hmm, I think um, I hope it gives her some type of closure because this is my story, right?

00:28:02.814 --> 00:28:03.953
Again, it's not to bash her.

00:28:03.953 --> 00:28:12.459
I hope she understands Um, you know, the doors I had to go down, the shadows I crossed over to get to this point.

00:28:12.808 --> 00:28:16.788
I hope she's proud of me, um, you know, where I'm happy.

00:28:16.848 --> 00:28:26.199
My husband loves me and supports me and at the end of the day for my kids, all I would want for them is to be happy and I am truly happy regardless of our relationship and how it unfolded.

00:28:26.219 --> 00:28:28.138
Like, I just hope she's proud of me and happy.

00:28:28.929 --> 00:28:29.199
Yeah.

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I can't imagine she's not.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So.

00:28:34.034 --> 00:28:35.584
Amber, thank you for sharing all that.

00:28:35.624 --> 00:28:39.523
I mean, is there anything else with this that you want to leave our listeners with?

00:28:40.614 --> 00:28:45.304
Um, I mean, the only thing is, I just want everyone to know, you can have a clean start no matter what.

00:28:45.314 --> 00:28:48.663
It doesn't have to be, you know, a suicide survivor to that extreme.

00:28:48.663 --> 00:28:50.828
It could be, Starting a new job.

00:28:50.878 --> 00:28:52.199
It could be starting college.

00:28:52.199 --> 00:28:56.179
It could be, you know, leaving a abusive household.

00:28:56.189 --> 00:28:59.189
It could be just becoming a mom for the first time or a dad.

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Like anyone can have a clean start.

00:29:01.388 --> 00:29:02.729
Don't give up on yourself.

00:29:02.949 --> 00:29:04.358
You know, continue to push through.

00:29:04.608 --> 00:29:08.929
You really can be surprised what you're capable of when you're like pushed to your limits.

00:29:08.930 --> 00:29:10.167
I love that.

00:29:10.167 --> 00:29:15.124
Well, on that note, let's get into our, uh, world famous Wayfounder4.

00:29:18.423 --> 00:29:20.894
So give us a hack.

00:29:21.084 --> 00:29:22.903
I mean, you've mentioned a few already.

00:29:23.433 --> 00:29:25.013
Uh, this is just a life hack.

00:29:25.013 --> 00:29:26.284
You kind of do every day.

00:29:26.344 --> 00:29:29.003
I know you've mentioned generally and going to the gym, anything else?

00:29:29.044 --> 00:29:29.443
Maybe.

00:29:30.644 --> 00:29:32.923
Um, a life hack would definitely be, like I said, routine.

00:29:32.923 --> 00:29:40.584
And even if it's, as far as like my kids and stuff go, but picking out your clothes in life before packing your lunch, like just having that routine.

00:29:40.584 --> 00:29:44.364
So that way your morning's not so stressful and you feel a little more prepared.

00:29:44.544 --> 00:29:47.193
So definitely like prepping and having some type of routine in place.

00:29:48.159 --> 00:29:48.459
Okay.

00:29:49.348 --> 00:29:50.439
How about a favorite?

00:29:51.179 --> 00:29:57.959
Just, uh, this is something you just like to do or a show you like or book or anything.

00:29:58.469 --> 00:30:01.598
Um, my favorite is Florida.

00:30:01.999 --> 00:30:03.078
I love beaches.

00:30:03.138 --> 00:30:04.548
I love being in the sun.

00:30:04.568 --> 00:30:06.638
I love just the Florida sunshine.

00:30:07.868 --> 00:30:09.239
Are you moving there anytime soon?

00:30:09.269 --> 00:30:10.478
Like, every other person?

00:30:10.478 --> 00:30:12.148
We have a condo down there.

00:30:12.528 --> 00:30:13.898
We have a condo.

00:30:13.900 --> 00:30:16.798
You know, I try to go once a month if I can convince my husband.

00:30:17.298 --> 00:30:17.578
Cool.

00:30:17.578 --> 00:30:18.528
Where, whereabouts?

00:30:18.828 --> 00:30:19.548
In Tampa.

00:30:19.868 --> 00:30:20.308
Oh, nice.

00:30:20.699 --> 00:30:23.669
Yeah, so we're like 30 minutes from Clearwater Beach.

00:30:23.818 --> 00:30:25.189
So it's beautiful there.

00:30:25.509 --> 00:30:38.499
Yeah, yeah, my wife and I, my wife's family lives in Sarasota, but we want to have a home, uh, eventually, we're out in Denver now, um, but we eventually want to be snowbirds and have a home in, uh, St.

00:30:38.499 --> 00:30:39.159
Petersburg.

00:30:39.368 --> 00:30:40.471
Yes, I love St.

00:30:40.471 --> 00:30:40.702
Petersburg.

00:30:40.702 --> 00:30:41.394
I love St.

00:30:41.394 --> 00:30:41.625
Petersburg.

00:30:41.625 --> 00:30:42.318
We love St.

00:30:42.318 --> 00:30:42.818
Petersburg as well.

00:30:42.818 --> 00:30:43.209
Anywhere.

00:30:43.209 --> 00:30:44.368
I'll take Sarasota, St.

00:30:44.398 --> 00:30:47.108
Pete, Anna Marie, all those beautiful places.

00:30:47.364 --> 00:30:48.094
Yeah, they are.

00:30:48.203 --> 00:30:49.153
That's all of them.

00:30:49.574 --> 00:30:50.094
That's right.

00:30:50.163 --> 00:30:50.663
That's right.

00:30:51.463 --> 00:30:51.794
All right.

00:30:51.804 --> 00:30:53.604
How about a piece of advice?

00:30:53.644 --> 00:31:00.584
Normally, we'd say a piece of advice for your younger self, but I'm going to ask specifically for your 16 year old self.

00:31:01.183 --> 00:31:01.384
Oof.

00:31:02.413 --> 00:31:03.804
I would tell her.

00:31:05.888 --> 00:31:07.588
You're going to be a badass one day.

00:31:07.729 --> 00:31:10.249
You're going to be really surprised how it turned out.

00:31:10.898 --> 00:31:11.169
Yeah.

00:31:11.209 --> 00:31:12.098
Could you have believed it?

00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:13.929
No, absolutely not.

00:31:14.638 --> 00:31:15.588
I still don't believe it some days.

00:31:15.588 --> 00:31:17.128
I still got to talk myself up.

00:31:17.219 --> 00:31:18.288
I'm very proud of myself.

00:31:18.288 --> 00:31:20.288
I'm very proud of the hurdles I overcame.

00:31:20.288 --> 00:31:21.578
I'm very proud of 16 year old you.

00:31:22.739 --> 00:31:23.278
That's awesome.

00:31:23.689 --> 00:31:34.989
You know, let me ask you, what, what specifically is it now when you think about where you are and knowing you're a badass, what is it specifically that makes you feel like a badass?

00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:35.409
Is it.

00:31:36.439 --> 00:31:41.618
Like, is there something about what you have in your life now that you just point to and say, Hey, I'm a badass.

00:31:42.628 --> 00:31:43.788
Um, I love myself.

00:31:43.888 --> 00:31:52.959
I, I think I'm a badass because I went from, I know this is dark, but I wanted to kill myself and not be here a long, long time ago to where I just love life.

00:31:52.989 --> 00:31:53.919
I love myself.

00:31:53.969 --> 00:31:55.219
I love the world I created.

00:31:56.618 --> 00:31:57.128
I love that.

00:31:58.409 --> 00:31:59.409
That's, that's a great answer.

00:32:01.419 --> 00:32:02.679
Um, all right.

00:32:02.689 --> 00:32:04.138
How about last one?

00:32:04.138 --> 00:32:19.479
You get to choose between a big opportunity or a limiting belief, either like one that you see out there or have had, or, or, you know, what do you mean by limiting belief?

00:32:21.659 --> 00:32:27.509
Like, uh, just something that, you know, you, that you, uh, like a, a limit.

00:32:28.163 --> 00:32:35.874
That you place upon yourself, you know, that keeps you from, you know, doing something that you think you can't do.

00:32:36.913 --> 00:32:39.933
I can tell you, you mentioned earlier that What's that?

00:32:40.173 --> 00:32:41.534
A big opportunity for sure.

00:32:41.544 --> 00:32:42.983
I love opportunities to do anything.

00:32:43.473 --> 00:32:45.653
So what is, so tell us one that you see.

00:32:45.784 --> 00:32:47.233
I really want to jump out of a plane.

00:32:47.354 --> 00:32:52.983
My husband promised if I got scuba certified, which we did, that he would jump out of a plane with me.

00:32:53.023 --> 00:32:54.624
And I'm going to hold him to that.

00:32:55.493 --> 00:32:58.114
So you see a big opportunity in jumping out of planes?

00:32:58.324 --> 00:33:01.804
Yes, because life is, you know, it's meant to be lived.

00:33:02.729 --> 00:33:03.179
Okay.

00:33:04.058 --> 00:33:04.409
Yeah.

00:33:05.888 --> 00:33:06.128
Cool.

00:33:06.128 --> 00:33:09.648
Are you guys going to do, are you going to do it like tent by that?

00:33:09.648 --> 00:33:16.378
Do you mean like tandem, like go to a local school and just jump on somebody's back and jump out?

00:33:16.378 --> 00:33:20.848
But I think if you get like X amount of jumps, you can jump out by yourself if we really like the thrill of it.

00:33:20.939 --> 00:33:21.159
Yeah.

00:33:21.159 --> 00:33:21.828
Is that the goal?

00:33:22.489 --> 00:33:22.739
Yeah.

00:33:23.398 --> 00:33:23.719
Okay.

00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:24.683
Okay.

00:33:24.683 --> 00:33:25.648
Yeah.

00:33:25.648 --> 00:33:27.378
That's actually something I've been wanting to do.

00:33:27.378 --> 00:33:28.368
And it's not even hard.

00:33:28.368 --> 00:33:32.999
You can just kind of go any weekend and just pay the fee and Mark wants to do it too.

00:33:33.179 --> 00:33:34.499
So we can all go jump out on a plane.

00:33:34.864 --> 00:33:35.253
Yeah.

00:33:35.884 --> 00:33:37.114
all jump out a plane together.

00:33:37.473 --> 00:33:39.153
What a great opportunity that is.

00:33:39.624 --> 00:33:39.773
All right.

00:33:39.773 --> 00:33:40.733
That'd be so fun.

00:33:40.854 --> 00:33:41.183
Yeah.

00:33:41.183 --> 00:33:41.513
Yeah.

00:33:41.844 --> 00:33:46.523
The um, yeah, if you ever come out to Colorado, there's a place not too far from where I lived at.

00:33:46.614 --> 00:33:51.844
A lot of people go to, I love any excuse to travel, so we'll have to plan a trip to Colorado.

00:33:51.963 --> 00:33:53.074
Yeah, this is a great place.

00:33:53.074 --> 00:33:53.763
Ask Mark.

00:33:53.824 --> 00:33:56.134
So, yeah, I'm sure he'll come along.

00:33:56.479 --> 00:33:57.078
Yeah, he will.

00:33:57.628 --> 00:33:59.548
Um, he better Yeah.

00:33:59.548 --> 00:34:10.068
So what, uh, what if, if people wanna get your book, you know, uh, if they wanna know more about you, if they wanna reach out to you, if they just need to somebody like yourself to talk to, how can they do So?

00:34:10.878 --> 00:34:12.829
Um, my book is available on Amazon.

00:34:12.829 --> 00:34:15.409
It's just Clean Start by Amber Clip House.

00:34:15.648 --> 00:34:18.378
I also was so passionate about journals.

00:34:18.378 --> 00:34:19.579
I made my own journal.

00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:19.818
Oh, cool.

00:34:19.818 --> 00:34:21.858
So that's, yeah, that's also on there.

00:34:21.858 --> 00:34:22.938
It's, um, it's.

00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:28.059
It's just Clean Start Journal, also by Amber Cliphouse, so they both come up when you search that.

00:34:28.518 --> 00:34:35.289
Um, I'm on Facebook, uh, Amber Cliphouse, or Instagram is at acliphouse22.

00:34:36.949 --> 00:34:49.009
Um, you know, feel free, if you're struggling with something, if you just need some inspiration, if you have any questions about, like, how I got over the hurdle or just need the vent, you know, feel free to direct message me on Instagram or Facebook.

00:34:49.048 --> 00:34:50.208
I love helping people.

00:34:50.208 --> 00:34:51.398
It's like my love language.

00:34:51.398 --> 00:34:52.148
I'm a Pisces.

00:34:52.188 --> 00:34:54.969
I'm super empathetic and just love giving back anyway.

00:34:55.418 --> 00:34:57.059
Um, but yeah, you can find me there.

00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:58.139
Excellent.

00:34:58.458 --> 00:34:59.588
Tell me more about the journal.

00:34:59.588 --> 00:35:02.099
You, is it, is it like a guided journal?

00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:04.849
You have some questions in there and stuff for people to answer every day?

00:35:06.273 --> 00:35:15.003
Um, actually the first, uh, just to make it fun, the journal, it has like a bucket list and one of mine is skydiving on there and do a missions trip.

00:35:15.003 --> 00:35:18.023
So I, um, I wanted to make it fun.

00:35:18.023 --> 00:35:18.193
Right.

00:35:18.193 --> 00:35:31.974
So first the bucket list and then it's the three goals for yourself, kind of like a 90 day goal journal, and then I have just the morning and evening reflections, like what's something that I'm grateful for, but something good that happened today.

00:35:32.023 --> 00:35:33.134
So it's just random prompts.

00:35:33.724 --> 00:35:35.534
Um, I love journaling so much.

00:35:35.563 --> 00:35:40.514
I just incorporated a bunch of different favorites from each one and compiled it into my own.

00:35:40.893 --> 00:35:42.043
Yeah, I love that.

00:35:42.074 --> 00:35:43.784
I've thought about doing this myself sometimes.

00:35:43.784 --> 00:35:47.454
I mean, I've had a couple folks on the show who have done journals.

00:35:47.454 --> 00:35:49.884
I, I just think it's, it's great.

00:35:49.923 --> 00:35:52.094
And over time you develop your own routine, right?

00:35:52.094 --> 00:35:56.324
Like I, yeah, I started with a running journal and then I tried different ones.

00:35:56.324 --> 00:35:58.164
And then that led to other kinds of journals.

00:35:58.164 --> 00:36:00.233
And then like I, yeah, I've had it.

00:36:00.393 --> 00:36:06.373
Ideas for my own but then it would I feel like it would only be my own really because everybody kind of develops their own Journal of the team.

00:36:06.373 --> 00:36:07.873
That's that's the magic, right?

00:36:08.094 --> 00:36:29.978
Yeah Mine's a little different because it's like I said, you had the bucket list to make it fun You have the 90 day goal for the people who really want to set goals Just the morning evening and then in the back is like blank pages If you just want to free write and I also have like a list of 20 prompts I'm very grateful for life.

00:36:30.009 --> 00:36:30.539
I live.

00:36:30.579 --> 00:36:34.518
I'm very grateful to still be here to this day to live, you know, another day.

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.489
So gratitude is big for me.

00:36:36.489 --> 00:36:38.139
And that's a part of my journal as well.

00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:40.148
Excellent.

00:36:40.539 --> 00:36:41.659
Well, thank you, Amber.

00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:49.648
Um, We started off by, uh, mentioned that you're a bonafide badass and, and I think now our listeners can see why.

00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:51.668
Uh, keep doing what you're doing.

00:36:51.739 --> 00:36:53.989
Keep kicking ass, keep inspiring people.

00:36:54.369 --> 00:37:00.378
Um, it's been a real pleasure to have you here and I look forward to, you know, seeing more of your journey along the way.

00:37:00.378 --> 00:37:04.188
I think you can do some really big things over the next, uh, the rest of your life really.

00:37:04.188 --> 00:37:05.559
So I can't wait to see what they are.

00:37:06.389 --> 00:37:07.338
Thanks so much for having me.

00:37:07.338 --> 00:37:08.688
I look forward to skydiving with you.

00:37:09.099 --> 00:37:10.248
Yeah, that's right.

00:37:11.018 --> 00:37:11.498
Take care.

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